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I found this searching the web...anyone see this b4.

Cheater Goes Undetected by PartyPoker: Nets 17k+ Over 5 Months



Are poker sites relying too much on the online poker community policing itself?

Another Blow to Online Poker's Reputation Tue, 16 Aug
Last week the online poker community exposed another cheater that the poker sites failed to detect. This time it was happening on PartyPoker. An account with the name “Farafon111” was discovered to have a 67% Return on Investment (ROI) over 800+ games where highly skilled players normally hope for a high single-digit ROI.

Over the course of several months the cheater was able to operate undetected by PartyPoker’s own Investigation Department. Even after the community alerted Party Poker to this activity the account in question was allowed to continue stealing from players on the site for more than five days.

Discussions within the poker community unveiled that after 877 games – most of which took place in the $16-$35 6-max turbo Sit-and-Goes (SNGs) – the player had netted over $17k in winnings – a 67% ROI. For SNG regulars, there was no question these results were not legitimate. As more information was gathered it became clear that Farafon111 was utilizing one of the oldest and most blatant way of cheating in online poker: chip dumping.

Coordinating multiple accounts in the same 6-man tournaments allowed him the opportunity to put his competitors at a massive disadvantage by manipulating tournament equity into his own favor and ensuring himself a high finish position in the SNG. Although his stooge accounts would lose, the villain could still extract plenty of profit from his unsuspecting opponents.

Looking outside of the 6-max SNGs, it was also apparent that the cheater had abused “no deposit” bonuses with PartyPoker affiliates. These sites offer free money as a starting bankroll without requiring the new account holders to deposit any of their own money. Precautions are in place that require proper identification to ensure a person only claims one offering. Whether the offender managed to bypass the security measures with falsified documents or payed a small fee to real people in return for their personal data remains unclear.

The cheater’s playing record also shows that he finished his last game on October 16, meaning that PartyPoker failed to take immediate action to prevent him from stealing additional money from players unaware of his malicious activity even after the cheating had been reported.

The community expects the accounts to be banned with funds confiscated and returned to those who were cheated. PartyPoker chose not to comment further on the issue but did tell pokerfuse, “Be informed that we have [an] Investigation Department which deals with such cases and takes reasonable measures if needed.”

by Gabor Horvath
Mon, 17 Oct

     
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Humm ... difficult to retrieve the money if the cheater has withdrawn it (thing that I should have done if I were him)
I remember that PokerStars gave me twice the buyin of a tournament after detected that some players where making collusion.

     
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Yeah, I guess this guy will for sure have had several withdras during the past, so that maybe only about 105 of the winnings is still in his Party account.
Bad thing for sure...

     
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I have never heard about this case before. But this seems just one exemple of the many that probably exist all around the world. There will always exist cheaters. When someone is able to do something right and wins money with it, there will always be someone who is able to try to win the same money with much less effort. Once, i heard about a group of players in my city that rented a house and dedicate entirely to poker, like a job. After a few weeks, word started spreading that they were about eight guys playing in the same SnGs. Is this forbidden? No, but its obviously puting oponents who play the same SnGs out of that rented house in disadvantage. They could talk among them about their cards and then, after winning and withdrawing, they could share the wins out of the site, out of the Internet, without anyone knowing. If portable PCs turned this easier, now with tablets its even easier. You just need to have friends you can trust to do something like this, and when crysis enter your pockets, everyone will want to be friends, and will start to form attack groups… Sites need better security forms. Imagine a LAN party with everyone playing for the same objectif: Its a poker office!

     
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It will be even harder in the future to detect cheating in online poker.
Technology developing fast nowadays.
And its kinda like a computer virus.
They can make an antivirus after an attack has been detected.
So if someone knows what to do and not overdo it probably will get away with it.

     
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seems like a hard way to cheat...if he was only playing on 3-4 differnt accounts theres no garentee any of them would win. must have had a nice system in place

     
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it proves how weak are poker site's anti collusion measures. unless people complain these cheaters dnt get caught. so next time you suspect some collusion, make sure you let support know Blink

     
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Cheating is easy when you think about it, short stints across lots of sites, with a few friends easy money.
EG, 6 man, 4 stoges @ NL200 2 BIs for an easy win, split 4 ways $100 each in say 1hr, do 8hrs a day add a +- and I reckon an easy 600 each awaits.

     
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Posted by SuperNoob:
it proves how weak are poker site's anti collusion measures. unless people complain these cheaters dnt get caught. so next time you suspect some collusion, make sure you let support know Blink


its hard to notify most poker sites about collusion i remember on full tilt u had to go right ot their homepage then search all over it for the support area, then you had to email them! like jeez its why i like pokerstars, its almost instant

     
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Not as hard as it seems. With all these ways of online communication today its easier.
I believe that the tracking systems they have about collusion, (which i might say some of them or even dont work or the people behind it dont take actions) looking for repeating patterns.
If there are for example 10 people from different countries playing most of the times (not all 10 together Smile ) at the same sng's it will be hard to tell Smile
Just one way to do it

     
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My feeling is that the poker sites are not HUGELY interested in stopping collusion. As long as players are at the tables generating rake, and not too much bad press erupts whenever the cheaters are uncovered, they could not care less. Every time that a major case of cheating has been uncovered, it is usually not by the site, and the site takes a long time to react when it is informed.

     
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its all rigged i tell ya Big Smile

     
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Posted by mahdrof:
My feeling is that the poker sites are not HUGELY interested in stopping collusion. As long as players are at the tables generating rake, and not too much bad press erupts whenever the cheaters are uncovered, they could not care less. Every time that a major case of cheating has been uncovered, it is usually not by the site, and the site takes a long time to react when it is informed.

Totally agree,all they are interested in is creating rake although if you do contact support about collusion on a site like p/stars they will have a good look but it's hard to prove.

     
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Posted by mahdrof:
My feeling is that the poker sites are not HUGELY interested in stopping collusion. As long as players are at the tables generating rake, and not too much bad press erupts whenever the cheaters are uncovered, they could not care less. Every time that a major case of cheating has been uncovered, it is usually not by the site, and the site takes a long time to react when it is informed.


I think you are right on the money here mahdrof ! They don't seem overly concerned , as illustrated pretty clearly in this case, as even after other players reported their concerns,
there did not seem to be very much urgency on the poker site's part.
I was playing this week on GR88, and noticed a bunch of 'nicknames' that were identical save
for the last digit, which would be one number off. ( eg. redfox224 and then redfox225 ) and
there was more than one. It took me 10-15 minutes to look thru a bunch of finished tourny's
results, and i kept finding the the same 2 entries on the tourny lists.
So i sent them an email, pointing everything out, and the name of the tournaments involved that i found. ( think about how much may actually being going on, if it took me only 10-15 mins. to find several instances )
What was annoying was the email reply, asking me for the tournament id etc. I gave them the name of the tournament, and the time, and it only runs once a day, i mean come on. Like i said, if they took 5 or 10 minutes they would have seen it just as quickly and easily as i did.
Anyway, inte3rested in hearing what they find. I will let the mob know if its anything interesting.
And to repeat why i started this post in 1st place, mahdrof hit the nail on the head i think.
Cheers..............

     
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So if i get this right he got multiple accounts and registered to 6 max sng where he basically played against one legit player??

If thats the case and he was able to make such a big profit thats a big minus on the party poker security, i mean it's obvoius that he used the same IP...

     
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Posted by Macubaas:
So if i get this right he got multiple accounts and registered to 6 max sng where he basically played against one legit player??

If thats the case and he was able to make such a big profit thats a big minus on the party poker security, i mean it's obvoius that he used the same IP...

Not at all.

You can have 5 laptops with an internet dongle attached all with different IP addresses. You can even have IP addresses logged to different countries using a remote server and therefore its virtually untraceable.



     
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Yes, it is actually possible but he also could use the same IP, i think we need more inside info about this case in order to take a conclusion...

Still, all poker platforms have extra security features too except the IP check that is automated Blink

I must admit 6 max sng's are idel for this type of cheat...

     
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party poker is the worst online site anyways i wouldnt put $1 on that Agree

     
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awood's flush draw is fantastic
bigfoot's one is too difficult at this time (after dinner red wine plays significance)

btw: of course pocket rockets was right

just a funny one before going bed



     
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i wear xray goggles so i can see ur cards, thats why i always win Smile

     
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