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Perfect thread to read after ten mins into my third brm today all went out about ten mins in the last two monster hands all in pre flop hit the flop (second time hit aces and kings on turn) both times four card flushed away by trash.
My advice is this AVOID AT ALL COST i find the best way to deal with a luckbox is to try to avoid them also if your looking for practice at beating the "luckbox lowlife all in pre flop im not playing for leaderboard just stole password bingo players" play the stars leaderboard tournys i get owned in them all the time half the time with ace ace which in my opinion even if you know your about to get screwed you have to make that pre flop call with it
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I play loose aggresive. i play the pots they play and between my bluffs and real hands i make sure to show some info to let the donkey know im easily able to out play them. They usually stay out of my pots after awhile.
Donkeys arentl ucky. people who play more pots win more pots. they may not get as much value but its really just a waiting game. relying on ones own ability to make better folds then ur opponent is also a huge advantage. Most "donkeys" or recreational gamers will call down with second pair if they think your stealing or acting too aggresively.
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The right thread at the right time. last week I was actually hitting on my AK, AQ, AA, KK, etc., but that all came to a halt the past two days. Losing to 3's opening hand on my SnG yesterday along someone staying with their 5,7s to hit the majic flush on the river.
I can take it though. Just have to remeber to play your game and for the most part like BeMyATMplz states above.
Another thing is when I get called weak for going Allin by anothjer player who wants me to let him bet small until they see the turn or river. Funny that person was out long before me.
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Posted by BeMyATMplz: - Play tight - fold your trash - bet your premium hands bigger - make them pay for them calling down with their gutshots/bottom pairs - Don't get tricky,just bet,bet,bet
Completely agree, no slow playing here unless you flop the stone cold nuts. Last week against aggrotard who would shove anytime the board looked scary, I raised heavily with KK after he limped in UTG, and naturally he called. Flop gave me quads so he checked and I insta-checked behind him. The turn card comes out and naturally he bets out half pot, I call. The river brings an ace, he bets 2/3 pot, I take a long time and reraise all in (which is only about an extra 20 bb for him - about 10% of the pot) and he folds. LMAO
Hi, loose agressive is the key to the top and it will be succesful in more ways than you think. They have repetitive and "scared" betting patterns. If they dont bet they are scared if they bet they ll probably go all in (they think they r pot committed on start). So any s**t cards they raise with will make you a profit. It means playing A-8 offsuit agressive in any position, and middle suited connectors as you grow your stack a bit. And dont forget to overbet your AA KK QQ... AK AQ AJ A10 play same as rags..
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when playing against an allin preflop donk well now?????? play good hands get donked out after 5 or 6 allins you get a monster & the donk flops his 7 2 try calling tales instead of heads
or just wait for someone else to knock him out or hope you get changed to a different table
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Posted by xdomagojx: Hi, loose agressive is the key to the top and it will be succesful in more ways than you think. They have repetitive and "scared" betting patterns. If they dont bet they are scared if they bet they ll probably go all in (they think they r pot committed on start). So any s**t cards they raise with will make you a profit. It means playing A-8 offsuit agressive in any position, and middle suited connectors as you grow your stack a bit. And dont forget to overbet your AA KK QQ... AK AQ AJ A10 play same as rags..
Cheers.
Better play TAG vs donks!!!!!
LAG vs not fish player, TAG vs fish+donk. Especially in micros play LAG vs fish will cost you $$. Tha 'scared' theory seems weak to me. I see fishes betting a lot ithout fear, not all are the same kind of player.
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Posted by BeMyATMplz: - Play tight - fold your trash - bet your premium hands bigger - make them pay for them calling down with their gutshots/bottom pairs - Don't get tricky,just bet,bet,bet
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Posted by MicroMachina: I play loose aggresive. i play the pots they play and between my bluffs and real hands i make sure to show some info to let the donkey know im easily able to out play them. They usually stay out of my pots after awhile.
Donkeys arentl ucky. people who play more pots win more pots. they may not get as much value but its really just a waiting game. relying on ones own ability to make better folds then ur opponent is also a huge advantage. Most "donkeys" or recreational gamers will call down with second pair if they think your stealing or acting too aggresively.
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------------ I pretty much read the table and get a good guide as to the range most of those that are on the table play. If you can read into the betting patterns most of the time you can get a cheap look at the flop with marginal hands AJ - A10 - KQ- KJ and small pockets of course you need to be able to study each hand and revisit the hand history but all in all its a good way to cash more. Each tourney is different so by adjusting your style ie: Tight/Agg - Loose/Agg you have a better chance of cashing. Thats just one point of view of many. Good Luck at the tables.
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Play always for value. Bet, bet, bet with Top Pair Good Kicker or best. They will call with a lot of dominated top pairs and mid/low/under, and any draw without odds, even gutshots.
Try to know what kind of donk he is. Example, you face a raise firm a donk, what to do? If he is a passive calling station, you should give him credit, if he is an agressive one prpbably you should go for the ride. River overbet? Bluff? Slowplay with monster? Small bet? Beg for a call? Try to buy the pot cheap? Donk bet? Weakness? Or maybe strength? There is not a standar for donk play, if you play ABC you will profit from them, but if you get info about his strange moves, you will maximise your value. Just becuase he is a donk, doesn't mean you don't need to observe him carefully. You need to keep an eye on him, because he will bring you a big slice of your profits.
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be aggresive with top hands , aa kk qq ak, see cheap flops only when in position with smaller pairs, never bluff a true donk will call u down with bottom pair.... i also like to over bet nuts against these players as most don,t have a fold button....
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well it depends what are other players on the table, are there more donks around or is the looser the only one...also take into consideration what type poker you are playing- if you find donk on the stud hi/lo you just scream from joy- since there is no problem to kill him off slowly, in plo, texas nl- i guess you just have to depend on luck more, but still you must pick the right moment
Posted by Chartoule: Better play TAG vs donks!!!!!
LAG vs not fish player, TAG vs fish+donk. Especially in micros play LAG vs fish will cost you $$. Tha 'scared' theory seems weak to me. I see fishes betting a lot ithout fear, not all are the same kind of player.
It's from my own experience. It's a general strategy like any other. You wont play every player same ofc. But in most cases you ll go with strategy. I had succes with it so it's obvious why i m a fan of it. Anyways in most of the freerolls i play with big fields i often ignore my own advice and try to play tight. For me it always ends up the same. I win 2 or 3 pots max then comes 4th and i m out of tournament. Cause you know your money is going in with pocket aces and kings preflop. But when you get called 3-way few times you are surely going out proving my point that tight is very very bad in that field. Tight is great when you are holding high pair and you know you are getting called with either a pair or AK AQ AJ... but it s not great when you are getting called all the time 3-way or up to 4-5 way with 23, 72 basicly ANY cards in the deck. (talking about all-in situations since they happen very often and you cant avoid them if you are tight and i like to avoid them and just play pots where i have the control and my starting hands dont matter then) After a while when you grow your stack then you are calling all-ins relaxed and only then you like your odds cause you know you have enough chips for it to pay off. To sum it up so i am clear on what i mean being agressive doesnt mean going all-in.
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I usually play loose aggressive in tables that I know I will most probably find donks, taking in consideration the low levels I play, but if we know in anticipation we are playing against a lucky one, nothing like playing tight aggressive so we can give him a lesson that he will never forget. The only problem with this strategy is that, if it isn’t a dumb donk, he will really learn the lesson and next time he will not be as donk as he was in the first time. So this should be a good reason to take some note about that player, so it will no be us who will make mistakes next time against this guy.
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if play at pokerstars u will be beat up by donks almost anytime...and i thnk a lot of them are not donks just start to know that this style is promoted by pokerstars..the donkstyle
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i disagree with that about pokerstars, u must jus be either playin, freerolls of 10000 people or be very impulsive and go all in with borderline hands, an 2 any1 who says site are rigged, have u ever played live tournaments with 2-10 THOUSAND, players or if not you must have watched tournaments like that on tv, it happens all the time.
so he checked and I insta-checked behind him. The turn card comes out and naturally he bets out half pot, I call. The river brings an ace, he bets 2/3 pot, I take a long time and reraise all in (which is only about an extra 20 bb for him - about 10% of the pot) and he folds. LMAO 
