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if you let the clock run down every hand then your a noob, it is not the way to play poker at all, especially if its for a minimal amount , you should therefore take an overdose or slit your wrists, its pathetic , you should at the very least stop sleeping with your blood relations ...... why dont you try win instead of settling for a few pence , i just dont get it at all
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I have seen this only once, and it was at a cashtable. The player seemed to wait to the last second every hand, before folding. 'Every once in a while he/she even timed out and missed the next hand.
It was totally done on purpose, obviously, since the person folded just a split second before the time was out, every time.
My theory is that the person tried to get the other players on tilt. I read in a pokerbook about a player that had used that stratgy, and won a tournament. Propably this person had read the same book. Only problem was, that since it was a cashtable, one could just leave, which you can not do in a tournament.
Anyway, what I was trying to say: I had no idea it was SuperNoob I was playing!
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A little over the top maybe but I agree with the principle. Not quite sure why he's posted it like this, not as if anyone would read this and think 'oh I'd better stop running the clock down then if it's that bad' but it really annoys me too when it happens around the bubble. A nicely worded post telling newbies exactly why they shouldn't run the clock down would have been better.
For example
If you are one of those who takes the maximum time allowed every hand when you are short-stack and near the bubble, you are in fact cheating yourself as well as others. In the long term there is far more money in playing to win than just make the payouts, which is why it is a good idea to play more loose around the bubble as other players tighten up and NEVER allow yourself to be blinded down to three or four blinds.
Reasons not to run the clock down
1. The level of blinds increases with fewer hands. You will therefore have fewer chances to get a good hand before being blinded out.
2. If you play like this so will others, not very nice when you're the one whos down to 10 blinds and about to have the blinds go up on your big blind. Very bad karma.
3. You are letting everyone else know you are desperate to be paid. If you go all-in it's obvious you have aces. People can bully your big blind cos they know you won't call.
4. It's boring for you and others.
5. players are more likely to gang up on you, if you're all-in it will be checked down to get you back for ruining everyones game.
6. Cos loads of people do this, it takes longer for the bubble to burst, blinds are higher when it actually ends, there are a lot more short-stacks except for a few tables where play has been going steadily, these tables have bigger stacks having knocked out more players and they go on to dominate all the short-stacks including you.
7. So even if you make the payouts your chances of winning are drastically reduced.
8. it isn't in the spirit of poker and will get you hated by most of the poker world.
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Def not good to do this every hand! not nice for other players on your table, but...
There are situations where I find this completely acceptable, e.g.
Say there are 2 tables left, and you are keeping an eye on the other table, its the bubble, you pick up a big hand when you are short stacked and know you have to shove... but wait, the other table has a big hand going with 3 players, one is all in. Now, I WOULD milk it for every second! even call in my time bank, hoping that one of them goes out, I cash, and then shove anyway, like I planned to do!
On the whole, it is not a good habbit to get into, but I for one would not mind a player doing this from time to time.
No shame in slowing things down if you think it is beneficial, but NEVER every hand! That sucks ballbags
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Posted by cjvfruity: There are situations where I find this completely acceptable, e.g.
Say there are 2 tables left, and you are keeping an eye on the other table, its the bubble, you pick up a big hand when you are short stacked and know you have to shove... but wait, the other table has a big hand going with 3 players, one is all in. Now, I WOULD milk it for every second! even call in my time bank, hoping that one of them goes out, I cash, and then shove anyway, like I planned to do!
Except most online poker rooms would go hand for hand in this spot. Unless there are two people that might be knocked out in the same hand, it wouldn't benefit you to go out later as it's classified as the same hand. So in this case the person who had the lowest stack at the start of the hand would bubble. Not everyone knows this and I regularly see people slowing it dow during hand for hand and have to explain it to them. of course they never listen cos they r idiots.
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from pokerstars tournament rules
12. If two or more players are eliminated on the same hand, a player with more chips at the start of the hand finishes higher than a player with fewer chips. If all players started the hand with an identical number of chips, all players tie for that rank, and any prizes due to those players will be equally distributed between them. During hand-for-hand play (as described in rule #13), two or more players eliminated during a single 'synchronized' hand are treated as having been eliminated simultaneously, even if they are at different tables.
13. At certain stages of the tournament (for example, where the prize money jumps significantly with the next few players eliminated) and when there is more than one table remaining, the tournament may be played ‘hand for hand’. This means that if one table finishes its hand before the other table(s), that table waits for the other table(s) to finish before the next hand is dealt. During this hand for hand period, all eliminations during a ‘synchronized’ hand (even at different tables) are treated as having happened simultaneously, for purposes of determining finish order. Finishing order is then based on comparing stack sizes per rule #12, and not on who lost their chips earlier.
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Posted by awood88: A little over the top maybe but I agree with the principle. Not quite sure why he's posted it like this, not as if anyone would read this and think 'oh I'd better stop running the clock down then if it's that bad' but it really annoys me too when it happens around the bubble. A nicely worded post telling newbies exactly why they shouldn't run the clock down would have been better.
For example
If you are one of those who takes the maximum time allowed every hand when you are short-stack and near the bubble, you are in fact cheating yourself as well as others. In the long term there is far more money in playing to win than just make the payouts, which is why it is a good idea to play more loose around the bubble as other players tighten up and NEVER allow yourself to be blinded down to three or four blinds.
Reasons not to run the clock down
1. The level of blinds increases with fewer hands. You will therefore have fewer chances to get a good hand before being blinded out.
2. If you play like this so will others, not very nice when you're the one whos down to 10 blinds and about to have the blinds go up on your big blind. Very bad karma.
3. You are letting everyone else know you are desperate to be paid. If you go all-in it's obvious you have aces. People can bully your big blind cos they know you won't call.
4. It's boring for you and others.
5. players are more likely to gang up on you, if you're all-in it will be checked down to get you back for ruining everyones game.
6. Cos loads of people do this, it takes longer for the bubble to burst, blinds are higher when it actually ends, there are a lot more short-stacks except for a few tables where play has been going steadily, these tables have bigger stacks having knocked out more players and they go on to dominate all the short-stacks including you.
7. So even if you make the payouts your chances of winning are drastically reduced.
8. it isn't in the spirit of poker and will get you hated by most of the poker world.
yh i could of put it in a nice way your right but tbh im sick of trying to explain it to them as their doing it, just wanted other ppls opinions thats all , and yh its not like theyre gonna say sh*t i better stop doing it because it winds ppl up, in fact theyd prob do it more especially if they knew my online name and was at the same table as it obv gets right on my tits lol just having a little rant and venting my frustrations thats all, its either that or take it out on the wife haha and what can you say to a woman with 2 black eyes? not a lot really ive clearly already told her twice !
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There are many poker rooms that have the hand to hand feature before the money or even when the payout sum changes but not all. If im right microgaming which is a big network doesnt have this feature
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I had situation in Caribian adventure satelites and its totally justified to do that... Ticket i wins like 300 people for next stage. Structure is hyper turbo and during the bubble most of players (60 to 70%) have less then 3 big blinds. There is 20 people to be busted. Obviously there is no hand per hand. You are having 2 bb. And you are like 250th in that tourney. There is one hand left till blinds reach you and you will be doomed in last hand... Everyone else is leting time runs out.. According to you I should be stupid enough to fold or push there right away? Offcourse I will let time run out because if I do that I give myself bigger chances to win that ticket. Since everyone else on other tables in same situation is doing that I should be really stupid not to let time runs out. I won that ticket btw... Poker is about luck, skill and STRATEGY. And you can use ANY strategy in order to win. Off course if you are winning player who thinks about profit not about glory. Also players who do that in regular tourneys decided to go ITM. You and others can exploit him because of that so I dont see where is the problem?
------------ I had situation in Caribian adventure satelites and its totally justified to do that... Ticket i wins like 300 people for next stage. Structure is hyper turbo and during the bubble most of players (60 to 70%) have less then 3 big blinds. There is 20 people to be busted. Obviously there is no hand per hand. You are having 2 bb. And you are like 250th in that tourney. There is one hand left till blinds reach you and you will be doomed in last hand... Everyone else is leting time runs out.. According to you I should be stupid enough to fold or push there right away? Offcourse I will let time run out because if I do that I give myself bigger chances to win that ticket. Since everyone else on other tables in same situation is doing that I should be really stupid not to let time runs out. I won that ticket btw... Poker is about luck, skill and STRATEGY. And you can use ANY strategy in order to win. Off course if you are winning player who thinks about profit not about glory. Also players who do that in regular tourneys decided to go ITM. You and others can exploit him because of that so I dont see where is the problem?
------------ I had situation in Caribian adventure satelites and its totally justified to do that... Ticket i wins like 300 people for next stage. Structure is hyper turbo and during the bubble most of players (60 to 70%) have less then 3 big blinds. There is 20 people to be busted. Obviously there is no hand per hand. You are having 2 bb. And you are like 250th in that tourney. There is one hand left till blinds reach you and you will be doomed in last hand... Everyone else is leting time runs out.. According to you I should be stupid enough to fold or push there right away? Offcourse I will let time run out because if I do that I give myself bigger chances to win that ticket. Since everyone else on other tables in same situation is doing that I should be really stupid not to let time runs out. I won that ticket btw... Poker is about luck, skill and STRATEGY. And you can use ANY strategy in order to win. Off course if you are winning player who thinks about profit not about glory. Also players who do that in regular tourneys decided to go ITM. You and others can exploit him because of that so I dont see where is the problem?
------------ Sry about this repeating. Something stucked so I pressed 3 times post
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Come on guys, let us be civilize in this forum, please do not post bad remarks or negative related topics in this forum. This forum is awesome, let us keep it that way please.
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Posted by jovicakralj: I had situation in Caribian adventure satelites and its totally justified to do that... Ticket i wins like 300 people for next stage. Structure is hyper turbo and during the bubble most of players (60 to 70%) have less then 3 big blinds. There is 20 people to be busted. Obviously there is no hand per hand. You are having 2 bb. And you are like 250th in that tourney. There is one hand left till blinds reach you and you will be doomed in last hand... Everyone else is leting time runs out.. According to you I should be stupid enough to fold or push there right away? Offcourse I will let time run out because if I do that I give myself bigger chances to win that ticket. Since everyone else on other tables in same situation is doing that I should be really stupid not to let time runs out. I won that ticket btw... Poker is about luck, skill and STRATEGY. And you can use ANY strategy in order to win. Off course if you are winning player who thinks about profit not about glory. Also players who do that in regular tourneys decided to go ITM. You and others can exploit him because of that so I dont see where is the problem?
Short-stacked in a qualifier may be the exception but then qualifiers are a completely different kettle of fish. I mean there's a good reason to fold aces right there, so you can't really use a qualifier as an example when we're talking about mtts in general. Of course no one would blame you for using your clock in that situation. It's not pretty but you have to do it.
But there is a problem in other mtts where quite regularly at low stakes, people run the clock down every single hand, sitting out and back in after two seconds. It's not good for anybody. As I already explained, it slows play down and makes the blinds go up in less hands turning everyone into shortstacks, not to mention pissing people off who want to get on with it.
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Posted by awood88: A little over the top maybe but I agree with the principle. Not quite sure why he's posted it like this, not as if anyone would read this and think 'oh I'd better stop running the clock down then if it's that bad' but it really annoys me too when it happens around the bubble. A nicely worded post telling newbies exactly why they shouldn't run the clock down would have been better.
For example
If you are one of those who takes the maximum time allowed every hand when you are short-stack and near the bubble, you are in fact cheating yourself as well as others. In the long term there is far more money in playing to win than just make the payouts, which is why it is a good idea to play more loose around the bubble as other players tighten up and NEVER allow yourself to be blinded down to three or four blinds.
Reasons not to run the clock down
1. The level of blinds increases with fewer hands. You will therefore have fewer chances to get a good hand before being blinded out.
2. If you play like this so will others, not very nice when you're the one whos down to 10 blinds and about to have the blinds go up on your big blind. Very bad karma.
3. You are letting everyone else know you are desperate to be paid. If you go all-in it's obvious you have aces. People can bully your big blind cos they know you won't call.
4. It's boring for you and others.
5. players are more likely to gang up on you, if you're all-in it will be checked down to get you back for ruining everyones game.
6. Cos loads of people do this, it takes longer for the bubble to burst, blinds are higher when it actually ends, there are a lot more short-stacks except for a few tables where play has been going steadily, these tables have bigger stacks having knocked out more players and they go on to dominate all the short-stacks including you.
7. So even if you make the payouts your chances of winning are drastically reduced.
8. it isn't in the spirit of poker and will get you hated by most of the poker world.
^^ i dont like it when everyone runs the clock, its annoying because ur trying to play and just slowly gettin blinded as they increase
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As annoying as it can be, you have to consider a few things:
- Many players multi-table. If they take a while to respond, it could just be they are playing a lot of tables.
- Poor internet connection. Peoples connections do time out.
Other than that, it's a normal tactic, especially when you near a bubble. it's shitty when your on the wrong end of the stick, ie: sitting on 3 bb w/ blinds about to go up, but it equally impacts everyone at the table as the blinds go up for them too, so really they shorten everyones stack by stalling.
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It's kinda boring when people start to delay their desicions just to get ITM, but I don't see why make such a big deal out of it. I mean, sometimes you're left down to just 3 or 4BB, near the bubble, after several hours playing that tournament. It sucks when, after spending hours, you don't get ITM, so yeah, if I have to do it, I'm going to, for sure.
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Posted by retribution: As annoying as it can be, you have to consider a few things:
- Many players multi-table. If they take a while to respond, it could just be they are playing a lot of tables.
- Poor internet connection. Peoples connections do time out.
Other than that, it's a normal tactic, especially when you near a bubble. it's shitty when your on the wrong end of the stick, ie: sitting on 3 bb w/ blinds about to go up, but it equally impacts everyone at the table as the blinds go up for them too, so really they shorten everyones stack by stalling.
im not talking about around the bubble at all ! go on highpulse enter a tourney or even better just log in and watch , 36 get paid , and watch what happens when theres 90/100 players left , its deffo not internet connection , if you click the sleep emoticon they click the laugh 1, around the bubble is understandable but when theres 90/100 players left , no im sorry its not the way to do things, i know its never gonna change, i know theyre never going to stop doing it, and ill just have to suck it up and deal with it , but please dont try justify it , does it happen in live tourneys? NO , why not ? BECAUSE ITS WRONG, and as awood says it turns nearly all the players into short stacks apart from the top 10/12 , anyway my rant is over now, i was just venting my frustration at it because its all ive had for the last week ........... see you at the table ppl and remember 1 in every 14 pocket kings is up against pocket aces !!
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