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Steps, bubble standoff....  0   
Lets get back to poker.....

Situation, last step, 5 places pay
1st - $2000
2nd - $1000
3rd - $700
4th - $500
5th - $500

Its level pegging, everyone has 3333(2k starting),
Making my stack equity 738, so each AI is now risking 738.
If I decide to call an AI, and win, my equity is now 1169 (villains goes up to 882)
So I risk 738 for 386, 2/1!
How often are you going to get an AI at 2/1
Knowing these are tight MFs, what do you do?
Assuming that blinds = AI or fold.
How do you create an edge, is it actually just down to nailing a players range, just get lucky...what do you think? How would you play?

     
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Intresting, allthough i totally dont understand your question, but thats probably on my end with my poor english Agree
Anyway this is Stars right?
Wot are buyins step1 to step5? 5 is $500 right?

Anyway i am playing these at PKR, and with these kind of payouts (though multiplied by 0,1 Evil) i am extremely aggressive, dunno my stats cos dont use poker software but at these level i shove so many times any2 in unraised pot, but thats problably not answering your question Tongue

     
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Well it seems quite unlikely that everyone would have the same stack sizes especially when the blinds are that high but I take the point it makes an interesting discussion.

I've never thought of calling hands after the bubble in terms of stack equity and MFs before. But I think it's a useful way of looking at things. Essentially working out whether your implied odds match the amount of extra money you stand to win. But at the same time, having a larger stack when everyone else is so short is worth more than just chips. I mean, you could argue that having half the chips in play with five left would put stack equity at 1350 but in fact your ability to knock ppl out puts you in a far better situation. If that makes any sense.

Obviously if everyone is equal in chips and blinds demand an all-in or fold situation then it gonna come down to mostly luck. But I think you can get a slight edge if you play it right. I guess you have to play pretty tight but you have to consider how the rest of the table are playing. It's a tough question.

(Ignore my maths lol. I don't know how I got that figure but you see my point)

Edited by awood88 (28 November 2011 @ 17:08 GMT)


     
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Posted by doomdy:
Intresting, allthough i totally dont understand your question, but thats probably on my end with my poor english Agree
Anyway this is Stars right?
Wot are buyins step1 to step5? 5 is $500 right?

Anyway i am playing these at PKR, and with these kind of payouts (though multiplied by 0,1 Evil) i am extremely aggressive, dunno my stats cos dont use poker software but at these level i shove so many times any2 in unraised pot, but thats problably not answering your question Tongue


I think that this is a theoretical question about a situation when there a 6 players left in the final steps of a tourney that pays 5 places.

     
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Not much response to a poker question, guess users are to busy exchanging money.

Anyway, doomdy "shove so many times any2 in unraised pot, but thats problably not answering your question" - yer kinda answer I was looking for, any thoughts TBH, reasons and detail would b nice.

Awood, in steps its not that uncommon to be almost equal stacks, my strategy is simple to stay average, no need to play hard for 1st, its more of a satalight, more about surviving, but that's why this question arises, places now pay cash, so survival strategy should now be pushed to the side?, but some players will not adapt, I feel that's were the edge is.
"I guess you have to play pretty tight but you have to consider how the rest of the table"
I agree, if we use math we can only call when we think we are getting 2/1 to villains range(and vice versa).
So I think at this point of the game its probably best to spot the bad player, and avoid as he will be the bad beat player, the rest of the players I think you should put them on a 10% range, making blinds a easy steal, a few blind steal and with a bit of luck the bubble bursts and you are stacked for a 1st place.
BTW Im not saying this is how you should play, just a thought, jbrooksie its a situation I have faced and will again with a bit of luck/strategy, next time I want to be better prepared.

     
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@B1gfoot, I misunderstood you.

You can run this through the Nash calcuator and it will give you shoving ranges depending on position or calling range depending on previous action. Obviously you can be looser or tighter than this but its a start. Smile

ICM Nash Calculator Results

     
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