Sorry I don't have a screen shot. Not getting any hands of awhile and here I am on the bubble. I went out two hands later. Haven't seen one like this for awhile.
PokerStars Game #71839227171: Tournament #476999381, Freeroll Hold'em No Limit - Level XI (400/800) - 2011/12/08 17:52:13 ET Table '476999381 208' 9-max Seat #8 is the button Seat 1: mellowmax (2410 in chips) Seat 2: jamiros47 (16320 in chips) Seat 4: matrix11333 (6075 in chips) Seat 5: dnb2011 (10925 in chips) Seat 6: JCCM27775 (1845 in chips) Seat 7: diogo_bra_86 (25335 in chips) Seat 8: n00way (18215 in chips) Seat 9: sirwoolf (1636 in chips) mellowmax: posts the ante 75 jamiros47: posts the ante 75 matrix11333: posts the ante 75 dnb2011: posts the ante 75 JCCM27775: posts the ante 75 diogo_bra_86: posts the ante 75 n00way: posts the ante 75 sirwoolf: posts the ante 75 sirwoolf: posts small blind 400 mellowmax: posts big blind 800 *** HOLE CARDS *** Dealt to mellowmax [5s 5h] jamiros47: folds matrix11333: folds dnb2011: calls 800 grim141 is connected JCCM27775: folds diogo_bra_86: raises 1200 to 2000 n00way: folds sirwoolf: calls 1161 and is all-in mellowmax: folds dnb2011: calls 1200 *** FLOP *** [8c Jc 5d] dnb2011: checks diogo_bra_86: bets 2784 dnb2011: calls 2784 *** TURN *** [8c Jc 5d] dnb2011: checks diogo_bra_86: checks *** RIVER *** [8c Jc 5d Tc] dnb2011: checks diogo_bra_86: bets 7517 dnb2011: calls 6066 and is all-in Uncalled bet (1451) returned to diogo_bra_86 *** SHOW DOWN *** diogo_bra_86: shows [Ad 3d] (high card Ace) dnb2011: shows [Jd 9c] (a straight flush, Eight to Queen) dnb2011 collected 18578 from side pot sirwoolf: shows [4d Ah] (high card Ace) dnb2011 collected 6083 from main pot *** SUMMARY *** Total pot 24661 Main pot 6083. Side pot 18578. | Rake 0 Board [8c Jc 5d Tc Qc] Seat 1: mellowmax (big blind) folded before Flop Seat 2: jamiros47 folded before Flop (didn't bet) Seat 4: matrix11333 folded before Flop (didn't bet) Seat 5: dnb2011 showed [Jd 9c] and won (24661) with a straight flush, Eight to Queen Seat 6: JCCM27775 folded before Flop (didn't bet) Seat 7: diogo_bra_86 showed [Ad 3d] and lost with high card Ace Seat 8: n00way (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet) Seat 9: sirwoolf (small blind) showed [4d Ah] and lost with high card Ace
The interesting thing here for me is the way the betting went...dnb2011 wound up walkin the dog...and I wud have got rivered.
Yes, it's a very common situation ... the cheapleader puts pressure in the bubble having nothing. Luckily you decided to fold ... if not, I'm not so sure you were been kicked out because u could have bet in flop and chipleader might have folded ... but who knows.
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well,I dont like the fold,and wouldnt make it in any MTT except for something like if I was freerolling the WCOOP ME or something in general always play MTTs to get deep,not to barely cash. In this aspect the fold is terrible,if your intention was from the start to play for ITM then it's certainly a reasonable fold.
Also,for the future,please exclude results for strategical questions
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I agree with Bemyatam, Fold is not good, you in BB and poor stake. What were you looking for ? Finally , did you get prize ? if yes, you follow good insticnt. Normally, I go all in with your hand and situation.
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McDonald is in the middle of the list, he still have a chance to go to the final table, although being a bit far from the leader's stack. Most probable, this tourneys final table will be filled with strangers, but that doesnt mean they dont know what to do to give a good show and try to win the bigest prize possible.
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regarding hand- easy shove, unless you hav a good reason for not risking the min cash
Posted by maricel: McDonald is in the middle of the list, he still have a chance to go to the final table, although being a bit far from the leader's stack. Most probable, this tourneys final table will be filled with strangers, but that doesnt mean they dont know what to do to give a good show and try to win the bigest prize possible.
the copy + pasters have evolved now they post their copied posts in different threads, what next
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Posted by maricel: McDonald is in the middle of the list, he still have a chance to go to the final table, although being a bit far from the leader's stack. Most probable, this tourneys final table will be filled with strangers, but that doesnt mean they dont know what to do to give a good show and try to win the bigest prize possible.
Dude, I want some of what you're smoking.
To OP, even given the raise and the call in front, since you've got less than 5 BB left, I think it's an open-shove/call. You don't have much time left before blinds hit you, and then you'll have 1/2 your stack in, which means your calling ATC there anyways.
I'd wince and call. 3-way you're going to be about even money against your typical donks shove and calling range here. The only think that concerns me is the open raise by diogla. Seems like unless he's just an idiot, he's super strong and hoping to induce action.
Or he could just be trying to bully the table since his stack is deep in relation to everyone else.
*Edit* On second thought, I change that last part a bit. Unless Diog is a drooling moron, he's definately strong and looking to induce action. Unless he's clueless, he's opening that spot very tight, realising that he's committed to calling almost anyone's re-shove.
*Edit again*
Just looked at results, Diog IS a drooling idiot. Opening A3s in that spot is stupid.
Edited by retribution (09 December 2011 @ 22:03 GMT)
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Posted by retribution: Opening A3s in that spot is stupid.
lol not at all. More like not opening any suited A there is way too nitty. You can even make an argument for opening any2 there,seeing it's the bubble he has lots of fold equity in this spot,plus he still has the odds to get it in vs. one of the 2 shorties (going by a normal calling range of them there). Regardless,A3s -> 30BB+ w/ antes -> middle/late position -> super easy open
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i agree with ATM on that one, id be opening any ace, just about any suited cards and definately any pairs, and even just about any connected cards, theres a lot of dead money in there, your gettin odds to play just about anything
k...I know I played that hand badly...the reason I played it that way is because I played the whole MTT short stacked..was all I cud do to reach the bubble. I worked hard to get there so faced with a shove/fold I mucked. Took awhile to deciede...the other thing is dnb2011 was hittin everything, he was takin people out every hand...that had an influence on my decision.
I had the table up,but I don't know how to get it here. There was a big red R in the upper left hand corner. So I had to cut can paste the doc... @BeMyATMplz do you mean delete the summary?
Edited by rbdflyboy (10 December 2011 @ 05:10 GMT)
Posted by Jibberish: i agree with ATM on that one, id be opening any ace, just about any suited cards and definately any pairs, and even just about any connected cards, theres a lot of dead money in there, your gettin odds to play just about anything
Yep, I think exactly the same way as you and ATM. You have to think long term when you play poker. The important thing is not to win this particular hand, what's important is taking the right decision in the present moment regardless of what comes out afterwards
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Posted by rbdflyboy: @BeMyATMplz do you mean delete the summary?
The best way to post HHs strat-wise is to cut the HH at the point where you have a question. In this case,you should post like this:
PokerStars Game #71839227171: Tournament #476999381, Freeroll Hold'em No Limit - Level XI (400/800) - 2011/12/08 17:52:13 ET Table '476999381 208' 9-max Seat #8 is the button Seat 1: mellowmax (2410 in chips) Seat 2: jamiros47 (16320 in chips) Seat 4: matrix11333 (6075 in chips) Seat 5: dnb2011 (10925 in chips) Seat 6: JCCM27775 (1845 in chips) Seat 7: diogo_bra_86 (25335 in chips) Seat 8: n00way (18215 in chips) Seat 9: sirwoolf (1636 in chips) mellowmax: posts the ante 75 jamiros47: posts the ante 75 matrix11333: posts the ante 75 dnb2011: posts the ante 75 JCCM27775: posts the ante 75 diogo_bra_86: posts the ante 75 n00way: posts the ante 75 sirwoolf: posts the ante 75 sirwoolf: posts small blind 400 mellowmax: posts big blind 800 *** HOLE CARDS *** Dealt to mellowmax [5s 5h] jamiros47: folds matrix11333: folds dnb2011: calls 800 grim141 is connected JCCM27775: folds diogo_bra_86: raises 1200 to 2000 n00way: folds sirwoolf: calls 1161 and is all-in mellowmax: ???
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Bubble or not you cant fold this spot, i see this so many times, if you fold this spot you absolutely dont understand how a payout works at MTT. The outcome of this hand doesnt make the fold itself good play, its the other way arround.
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I dont think this is such a bad fold at all. 55 in 3way all in is NO GOOD. You need to hit set or you are busto almost for sure. If guy before you folded then it is snap call but he called so...
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Posted by jovicakralj: I dont think this is such a bad fold at all. 55 in 3way all in is NO GOOD. You need to hit set or you are busto almost for sure. If guy before you folded then it is snap call but he called so...
With a bigger stack yes true, but uber shorty your happy you get a hand like this, and then this 55 is a monster, you dont win anything by folding this and get a min cash, winning this hand 3way/4way makes you a playable stack to put pressure on other players and maybe become deep, where the money is.
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Posted by jovicakralj: I dont think this is such a bad fold at all. 55 in 3way all in is NO GOOD. You need to hit set or you are busto almost for sure.
Nah not really,there are often good-case scenarios where you're up against AK and AQ,AK and KQ or stuff like that,and then those hands block each others outs,making it less likely for them to hit their pair or whatever they need.
Just as an example,55 has 45% equity vs. AK and AQ (if all 3 are in the same hand). Then chance of hitting a set is ~20%,so you see in about 25% of the cases the pair survives without hitting its set
In this case I was having a tough time the whole way thru. I got to the point where I was gonna cash just to see if I cud. When someone at your table is on a heater and the deck hits 'em in the face...I knew he was gonna win the hand and take whoever out that was in the pot. I looked at my hand for quite awhile b4 I mucked it, there was lots more goin on here than meets the eye. Technically I played the hand bad...if I had nothing to lose...and in that spot playin a one outer post flop is never very profitable long term. I was in survival mode the whole tourney...had to play smart to get thru. This experience could hav a positive effect in the longer term. (points wise)
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Sheesh, what you holding out for? Bubble on a freeroll, going to catch a few cents? I would only ever consider a fold there in a satalight, to me its a no brainier AI, then unless tripling up Id be more than likely AI next hand any 2. These games really don't pay if you are holding for bubble to burst, prime time to abuse a situation and try get a stack..play for the win....always. "I was in survival mode" not for any other game than DoNs and Sats....
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Posted by Chartoule: Hi!!!
Is a freeroll for a few cents is a easy push, in my opinion. The same situation in a 215$ MTT is a easy fold.
The amount to win after bubble is the right question.
The change in stakes doesn't change a situation in any way shape or form. Doesn't matter if it's a freeroll bubble, or the bubble of the WSOP. The correct play is still going to be the correct play.
I don't think Dingo could be opening ATC that spot, as there's still a few stacks that can do some serious damage.
I 100% agree Big stack should be bullying, but I still think his range should be semi-tight, especially in EP/MP, and to me raggy aces are just trouble. If he opens light, and one of the bigger stacks that can cripple him re-shoves, then he's in a spot where he's going to have to fold a pretty significant range of what he's opening with.
in general always play MTTs to get deep,not to barely cash.
