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seeing the photo of the hand looks interesting, but not like AA and KK chased the guy in the sequence before? or this guy was crazy to pay all in pre flop with J9? if you can get more details on the progress of the hand I thank you, hug
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This was the very early in the rebuy stage. It was probably a min bet. call by me. reraise by other guy. both flat and then the fun ensued.
Its very important to state most people dont have the skill to lay down these hands. As its a rebuy i dont think they mind losing and Chuckster is a very good opponent and im sure had an inkling but it was a rebuy and whats 2$.
I eventually went allin in the SB w/ AJ os and was called by someone with A10. I was in 4th or 5th i believe and the villain had 350k to my 300k. Id been lpaying the pants off of the competition up till then and really just wanted to take down the pot. The fact id shown only very premium hands up till then was useless since i just got moved.
Ten on the turn or river. even still i went in ahead and if the cards held i was in 1st with 90 remaining and with my ability to down shift into cruise control id have very much liked my chances.
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Posted by MicroMachina: Fishing and hooked some real monsters. =]
Is it possible for you to post a copy of the HH? I just ask, because it's wierd that you're playing J9o UTG against AA/KK, I'm just curious how there wasn't a lot of action PF that would have pushed you outta the hand before you even saw a flop. Unless they both tried to slowplay their hands, in which case, it's just horrible play on their part.
Still, I dunno If I'd be limp/calling raises PF with J9o UTG.
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Posted by JeVoOo: I used to limp/call J9o in rebuys but then I took an...
LOL. heya buddy! howd you do in the dazzler i was felted in when you were at my table?
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Posted by doaga: i hate bad beats
even giving them?
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Posted by MicroMachina: Fishing and hooked some real monsters. =]
Is it possible for you to post a copy of the HH? I just ask, because it's wierd that you're playing J9o UTG against AA/KK, I'm just curious how there wasn't a lot of action PF that would have pushed you outta the hand before you even saw a flop. Unless they both tried to slowplay their hands, in which case, it's just horrible play on their part.
Still, I dunno If I'd be limp/calling raises PF with J9o UTG.
Ive been trying to find a way to export hh's from merge but havent been able to yet. i saved up to 72 days of them so ive got time yet to figure it.
This is a rebuy event where i can afford to play how rebuys should be played. namely by controlling the action and maximizing on profits while trying to limit losses. Before this hand i had AK i think and reupped the action when it came to me in BB. i got three callers and one pushed me allin. I called and was promtly done in by 89 os and went in with the best hand. Knowing i had some credibility and trying to build the pot knowing i would get called by everyone if i made a standard raise i did just that utg with j9 os. i got called by more then folded and the AA popped it to 240 i believe. Likely thinking i would dive with AK if i had it again or any made pair. I know my image tells them im gonna lead out on flop with any board performing a cbet so that maybe complicated their thinking.
In rebuys i cannot begin to explain the value in getting in cheap where top pair dives 70% of the time. Also id like to speak about bluffing and defending. Its impossible to try and defend a hand in the rebuy stage unless your willing to gamble you have the best hand and go allin where more times then not you kill your own actionj by doing so. Where as a well times semi bluff/pot builder can only send the wrong message and allow the pot to be played in a manner you can abort at any time since you know your behind most times.
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Nice hand MicroMachina! It's nice to crush A's and K's, but to nail both with the same hand is extra special. Of course, this is as long as it's not your A's or K's getting crushed. By the way, were they good sports and let you know "Nice Hand". Any way it was a great hand to see. Good Luck to All!
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Maybe I don't understand the logistics of rebuy Mtt's, given I haven't really played many MTTs, let alone rebuys. However I think a -ev play is still -ev, regardless of the stakes or structure. While I'm certainly going to play a hand like j9 for value in a multi-way pot, I'd think it'd be good to find the correct spot.
Open raising J9o, utg at a table that you've established is loose is just spewy imho. Reason being, you're playing out of position, even if you flop any sort of draw or bottom pair etc, you're still in a bad spot.
Conversely, there's nothing wrong with playing a hand like j9 for value in say LP, where it's a big/multi-way pot. Speculative hands like j9 extract the thin value they get, from big/multi-way pots, otherwise it's best to throw em away.
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Posted by MicroMachina:
LOL. heya buddy! howd you do in the dazzler i was felted in when you were at my table?
I donked off not long after you did =D
fwiw, I'll happily open limp J9o* in the early stages of a micro rebuy and some MTTs. If the action goes multiway and your getting decent odds to call a small raise then go with it. You have to bare in mind though, to make it profitable, when you hit the flop hard that you're getting other peoples stacks otherwise it's just a leak. Don't get tricky, you want maximum value for you hand, idiots are always going to call your flop shove with trash.This wont be as profitable in higher buy in games though for obvious reasons.
There's no question that you played bad here and got lucky, but so did your opponents given the info you provided. How you got to see a flop is beyond me. lol flatting KK pre, what?
Just curious, how you came up with this range, and under what factors did you apply to get it? I just can't seem to wrap my head around how limp/calling j9 UTG at a loose/spewy table could ever be +ev, especially in a big field mtt. I don't claim to have vast experience in them, but the dynamics can't be that much different than sngs, and that range seems really loose, especially for UTG at a full table.
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To be honest, that's not strictly the hands I'd open limp UTG, its just my general limp/overlimp range. For sure I'm tighter UTG.
All these hands have value and are very easy to play post multiway. The thing about rebuy mtt's is that you need to get stacks to have a chance at the decent money which means playing more hands, and getting lucky. Playing ABC wont get you far.
Saying all this, some of the best advice I ever got was to basically open shove every hand until you've got a top 10 stack. It's worked for me in the past. Obviously great for the $1r but not so much for the $50's lol
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Posted by jevo: Playing ABC wont get you far.
If the table manages to figure your playing abc poker you're done for. Simply put you need to incite allins any way you can to tilt the table into playing a style conducive to rebuys. finding yourself on a tight table really sets you at a disadvantage because every other table has crazy action.
Sure you can play tight and have a shot but im of the mind thats really not how these rebuys should be played.
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I still think there's a pretty big line between open raising UTG with J9o and "Abc" poker. By definition, ABC poker is playing tight, aggressive poker. That's how you makes teh profits.
I'm not saying stick hard and fast to a specific range, but I really think you have to have some sort of tight range, especially when facing such a loose/agressive table. Poker isn't so much about playing ABC, as it is playing better than the rest of your opponents at the table.
