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"On January 1, 2012, we will be changing the way VIP Player Points (VPPs) are awarded at our ring game tables. Historically, the VPPs earned in a ring game hand have been split equally between all players that were dealt into the hand. The new method will award VPPs proportionally based on each player's contribution to the pot. The change is illustrated in the example below: Five players participate in a hand of $1/$2 No Limit Hold'em. Pre-flop: Player 1 raises to $6 Player 2 folds Player 3 folds Players 4 (the $1 small blind) calls Players 5 (the $2 big blind) calls Post-flop: Player 4 makes a bet of $9 Player 5 moves all in for $21 Player 1 folds Player 4 calls The remaining cards are dealt, and the $60 pot is awarded to Player 4 The pot is $60 in total. Players 4 & 5 contributed $27 each, and player 1 contributed $6. The total rake on this pot is $3, which is worth 16.5 VPPs. Under the old method, all five players would receive an equal share of the points, i.e. 16.5 / 5 = 3.3 VPPs. Under the new method, the VPPs will be awarded as follows: Player 1 contributed $6 (10% of the pot) and so receives 1.65 VPPs. Player 2 contributed $0 (0% of the pot) and so receives 0 VPPs. Player 3 contributed $0 (0% of the pot) and so receives 0 VPPs. Player 4 contributed $27 (45% of the pot) and so receives 7.43 VPPs. Player 5 contributed $27 (45% of the pot) and so receives 7.43 VPPs. A number of Frequently Asked Questions are answered below. If you have a question that is not addressed in this section, please contact [email protected]. FAQs What is actually changing? We have changed the way VIP Player Points (VPPs) are awarded to each player in ring games. Previously, any VPPs awarded to the table were split equally between all players dealt into a hand. Now, VPPs are awarded based on how much each player has contributed to the total pot. The same total amount of VPPs will be awarded as before. However, some individuals may receive more or fewer VPPs based on how much they contribute to raked pots. How are VPPs now awarded? VPPs will continue to be awarded in ring games based on the rake collected in each pot. The same total amount of VPPs will be awarded for each hand but not all players dealt in will receive the same number of VPPs. Instead, players will receive a share of the total VPPs awarded based on how much they contributed to the pot. The formula for VPP earnings under the method is VPPs = (your contribution to pot / total pot) * (rake collected * VPP multiplier). This does not affect MTTs or SNGs. You will continue to earn VPPs at a rate of 5.5 for each $1 in tournament entry fees. IMPORTANT NOTE: In all cash ring games, points are credited at the end of a hand. So if you leave a table before the hand is completed, you may not receive the VPPs for that hand. To ensure that you are properly credited, please ‘Sit Out’ until the start of the next hand, and then leave the table. When does the change happen? VPPs will be awarded with the new method at tables that are created on or after January 1, 2012. How will I know how much I have contributed to the pot? Your contribution to the pot consists of any money you put in during the hand by posting blinds, calling bets, or making bets or raises that are matched by at least one opponent. The total amount of those actions divided by the total pot size (before rake) equals the percentage of the pot you have contributed in that hand, and the percentage of the awarded VPPs you will receive. Please refer to http://www.pokerstars.com/vip/earn/ for more information, including a calculation formula, on how VPPs are now awarded. How will the new method of awarding VPPs affect me? These changes will only affect players at real money ring game tables. Tournaments are not affected. Because the new method awards VPPs based on how much you individually contribute to raked ring game pots, the impact will be different for all players. Some players will earn more VPPs and some will earn less, but the total number of VPPs PokerStars awards per hand will not change. Does the new method of awarding VPPs mean I need to pay more rake to get the same amount of VPPs as before? VPPs have always related to the amount of rake paid at the table, not the rake paid by individual players in the pots that they win. This change will affect players differently based on their playing style. Some players will have to play more hands to earn the same number of points while others will have to play fewer hands. Are the VPPs required to attain various VIP Club levels being adjusted as well? Only the manner in which VPPs are distributed is changing. The number of VPPs required to earn each VIP Club level is not changing at this time."
Thought to post this for those thatdidn't knew about it
Thanks for the information. In conclusion ... they want you to be a loose player. I don't play ring games so I hope the method for tournaments will be the same.
Joined: May '08
Location: Lithuania
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damn that sucks big time- with the previous system you could just sit at a loose table and get involved just in no action hands to get min pots, but fold the big action loose hands and get rewarded for just being dealt cards, while the loose aggressive dudes pile in the cash and take all the risks. now it seems some changes are gonna strike in...not sure if this makes you earn more or less fpp's if you just stick to your style- because you're gonna get less fpp's on other dudes action, but more on your own...probably we'll have to wait a bit and see the change in reality
Joined: Mar '09
Location: Greece
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This is something that low stake players dont like at all. If im not mistaken thats the weight contributed system. The worst of all for low players. So PS had dealt rake so far os simple contributed
Joined: Mar '09
Location: Australia
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Again poker stars comes up with something new because of the influx of rich new players LOLOLOL I guess that counts me out of it then, I haven't played Ring Games in a long time and don't intend too any time soon MTTS I like to play so that's where I will stay.....
Joined: Mar '11
Location: Canada
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Posted by arthur72: Again poker stars comes up with something new because of the influx of rich new players LOLOLOL I guess that counts me out of it then, I haven't played Ring Games in a long time and don't intend too any time soon MTTS I like to play so that's where I will stay.....
This isn't something "new" pokerstars came up with, this is just changing from the Dealt method of rake factoring to contributed. Most poker rooms have already made this transition ages ago, seems like stars is the last to act.
Imo contributed method is the fairest, as it's really not fair for people who don't play a hand to get any of the credit in terms of VPP. If you wanna get vpp, play. Dealt method just invites super nits to fold all but premiums, and whore rakeback.
Joined: May '09
Location: India
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i play 6max and i like contributed method but this weighted contributed method of stars is even better as you get points for how much you put into pot rather few sites where they are equally divided between people who contributed to pot
Joined: Aug '09
Location: Canada
Age: 52 (M)
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pokerstars dont offer sh-t they dont never ever deposit insant bonus,,they just give give give to the guys on t,v the guys that spend spend spend at there site,,,but yet they will say they do but they give jack,sh-t,,,dam they dont even offer rake like 90% of all the other sites do,,I DONT GET WHY PLAYERS KEEP PLAYING THERE,,,maybe some players asses will get sore from geting fu,,ked,,SORRY BUT ITS THE TRUTH
Joined: Aug '08
Location: Canada
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just been reading about this issue on another site and it seems alot of regular grinders are staging a mass sit out january first.
this prompted pokerstars to issue a statement explaining the new system. this invoked further discussion and if im correct i believe stars decided to put a hold on changes while extending an olive branch to select poker representatives knowledgeable in the issue to come to the isle of man.
They also seemed to go on the offensive and issued incentives that people who sit out will not be able to achieve which effectively divides the protesters.
The poker community also seems to be upset by the fact stars wants a non-disclosure agreement by the reps who visit the isle of man. Which prompted many to insist that the isle of man option is less desirable then having say a locked thread only said reps and stars authorities can comment on allowing others to send in concerns of the discussion via pm's to said reps of the players.
Either way this is likely to be an ongoing point of contention between players and stars for the near future. Since stars would have to disclose financial information pertinent to the issue i think a compromise is likely the end result.
Personally i see no issue with the changes but the vast majority of players do.
Joined: May '08
Location: Lithuania
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good point- it would be fair for those who are actually contributing to the pot- so at the end you really want to change your game a bit and become looser player- so you end up being among those who are contributing to the pot...but on the downside- imo you will have to pay more rake personally to get the same amount of fpp"s you were getting before..
Joined: Mar '09
Location: Greece
Age: 47 (F)
Posts: 14136
Maybe they have postponed it as you say but at the end they will make it happen for real. Their point is to make more money and if thats the way to do it then it will happen eventually. Dont forget that the scenery of online poker changes to the worst for everyone involved
