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Found a hobby i like almost as much as Poker. So i decided to play a couple Turbos and record it. Here is the Video and ill be placing this along with any more videos in my blog.
As always i look forward to reading your comments and tips. I know i played these a bit loose and i was lucky to close out how i did. Still i do want constructive criticisms to help tighten it up.
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yet another good video buddy! well done for sure. liked how you had it zoomed on the river for that queen that was epic. wish there was more commentary though
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Yeah i was really jacked to see it come lol. Um id like to give more commentary but in those turbos u see j10 opening allin from some of the better players.
Two players featured in the video are sng leaderboard monsters and i see them dive with KQ or better everytime. 22 and up included they just dive. So when i said this guy usually moves with this.. him havnig QQ was a surprise in the sense he had me beat. I zoomed in for some plays but i maybe should have left it open the whole time so you could see how the other lpayers all play too.
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good video,you didnt py as "aggressive" as you think tho Here some leaks/thoughts that I spotted/have
~2:20 - A6o snapcall
~4:40 - K8o on BTN easy ship
~5:40 - 89o in SB easy shove,open limping is probably he worst of all possible options especially in hyper turbos
~6:25 - Q7o I'd ship this,you dont have to tho
~6:30 - 78o again,similar to the 89o hand,just ship,or if you dont like that play just fold,shipping is optimal tho and limping the worst
~6:35 - QJo super easy snapshove pls
~7:40 - 44,not very familiar about 6 max ICM but you said "I'm gonna fate this guy has overs". If you knew for a fact that he has,say,KQs or something so that it's a true flip,44 would actually be a fold,because based on ICM you need more than 50% equity in this spot to make it a correct call in terms of maths
~7:50 you're not happy about the guys' J7o call @ the top left? He has 1BB left if he folds,he has to call with any2 there
~7:55 T8o is a shove there,you can basicly shove a veeeeeery wide range,maybe any2 there. The reason for this is that you're on the bubble and the bigger of the 2 opponents's stacks is in the BB. The BB will have to call a pretty tight range here,probably something like A10+/66+ kind of range (just my rough estimation right now) and nothing looser. He may even be tighter because its microstakes and he doesnt want to bubble,idk. Fact is that longterm shipping is profitable here
~8:30 A6o bottom right is a very easy ship there,you can probably ship like 70% of your hands there. Reason for this is that this is the last spot where you have fold equity before going through the blinds. After you went through the blinds your fold equity is gone because your stack will be pretty much crippled and opponents will call you super wide when you shove
~9:10 K10o just shove this. Minraising will usually only induce that people will ship on you if they are stupid because they think they have fold equity,or even worse,they might flat you and get you into very hard postflop spots. However,your true goal in this hand is (or should be) to just pick up the deadmoney,and shoving will make your play unexploitable here
~9:15 K9o on BTN easy shove
~9:20 34s I'd ship this,it's not too bad not to tho I guess
~10:05 Q8o shove,not even close
~11:00 44 I'd fold this. You already have a very good stack for HU play,and there is no need to risk this by getting into a flip here. When already having a good stack 3 handed it's usually better to stay out of close spots to maintain the edge you already have. Losing your edge is by far worse than maintaining your current edge (in terms of stacks),when you already have one. 77 Call by the BB is very bad there btw,again,in terms of ICM
~11:55 69o HU shove. You have no fold equity anymore (unless BB is really bad),but thats not even a very terrible thing here. You invest 600 to win 1.6K,meaning you only need about 38% or so equity. With 69o in this spot vs. an any2 range you have almost 45% equity. I would shove any2 regardless in this spot tho.
Thats it basicly,I'd also comment on the 45s vid but its single tabling so watching the whole thing would become boring
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Another really good poker vid indeed, make sure to keep them coming since you are doing a great job indeed
I also wated to cashout some money from stars and deposit to merge but after hearing that rush will be available on stars too i decided to wait that instead.
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Posted by BeMyATMplz: good video,you didnt py as "aggressive" as you think tho Here some leaks/thoughts that I spotted/have
~2:20 - A6o snapcall
~4:40 - K8o on BTN easy ship
~5:40 - 89o in SB easy shove,open limping is probably he worst of all possible options especially in hyper turbos
~6:25 - Q7o I'd ship this,you dont have to tho
~6:30 - 78o again,similar to the 89o hand,just ship,or if you dont like that play just fold,shipping is optimal tho and limping the worst
~6:35 - QJo super easy snapshove pls
~7:40 - 44,not very familiar about 6 max ICM but you said "I'm gonna fate this guy has overs". If you knew for a fact that he has,say,KQs or something so that it's a true flip,44 would actually be a fold,because based on ICM you need more than 50% equity in this spot to make it a correct call in terms of maths
~7:50 you're not happy about the guys' J7o call @ the top left? He has 1BB left if he folds,he has to call with any2 there
~7:55 T8o is a shove there,you can basicly shove a veeeeeery wide range,maybe any2 there. The reason for this is that you're on the bubble and the bigger of the 2 opponents's stacks is in the BB. The BB will have to call a pretty tight range here,probably something like A10+/66+ kind of range (just my rough estimation right now) and nothing looser. He may even be tighter because its microstakes and he doesnt want to bubble,idk. Fact is that longterm shipping is profitable here
~8:30 A6o bottom right is a very easy ship there,you can probably ship like 70% of your hands there. Reason for this is that this is the last spot where you have fold equity before going through the blinds. After you went through the blinds your fold equity is gone because your stack will be pretty much crippled and opponents will call you super wide when you shove
~9:10 K10o just shove this. Minraising will usually only induce that people will ship on you if they are stupid because they think they have fold equity,or even worse,they might flat you and get you into very hard postflop spots. However,your true goal in this hand is (or should be) to just pick up the deadmoney,and shoving will make your play unexploitable here
~9:15 K9o on BTN easy shove
~9:20 34s I'd ship this,it's not too bad not to tho I guess
~10:05 Q8o shove,not even close
~11:00 44 I'd fold this. You already have a very good stack for HU play,and there is no need to risk this by getting into a flip here. When already having a good stack 3 handed it's usually better to stay out of close spots to maintain the edge you already have. Losing your edge is by far worse than maintaining your current edge (in terms of stacks),when you already have one. 77 Call by the BB is very bad there btw,again,in terms of ICM
~11:55 69o HU shove. You have no fold equity anymore (unless BB is really bad),but thats not even a very terrible thing here. You invest 600 to win 1.6K,meaning you only need about 38% or so equity. With 69o in this spot vs. an any2 range you have almost 45% equity. I would shove any2 regardless in this spot tho.
Thats it basicly,I'd also comment on the 45s vid but its single tabling so watching the whole thing would become boring
omg thank you very much bemyATM once again for such wonderful awesome information. Seriously this is something ive read 4 times already and will likely 4 more times. Would you actually mind if i cut and paste it into the videos comments with your mob id for credit?
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hehe np,sure go ahead I can comment more of your vids too if wished,just make sure they aren't single tabling (because it really gets boring to watch only 1 table ) and at least turbo (because my biggest strenght is shoving/calling ranges and bubble/ITM play in SNGs so thats where I can help people most with) In general I think you have a good approach for these super turbo 6 max's in general,just need some adjustments because you seem to usually play MTSNGs/MTTs,but all MTT players have that problem when they try SNGs so you're not alone,I needed quuuuiite a feeew SNGs till I figured out I cant just play them like I play MTTs as well What I'd suggest you if you wanna play SNGs is download the trial of SNGWizard,you can practise shoving ranges there and can also analyze your sessions using it and see what spots you missed or where you should have folded when you shoved/called The suggested ranges aren't 100% accurate because it doesnt take future-equity into consideration,but it's by far better than nothing SNGs are definitely better bankroll builders because you can get more volume in and have smaller swings (compared to MTTs) as well so I'd encourage you to take a look at it
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Posted by BeMyATMplz: hehe np,sure go ahead I can comment more of your vids too if wished,just make sure they aren't single tabling (because it really gets boring to watch only 1 table ) and at least turbo (because my biggest strenght is shoving/calling ranges and bubble/ITM play in SNGs so thats where I can help people most with) In general I think you have a good approach for these super turbo 6 max's in general,just need some adjustments because you seem to usually play MTSNGs/MTTs,but all MTT players have that problem when they try SNGs so you're not alone,I needed quuuuiite a feeew SNGs till I figured out I cant just play them like I play MTTs as well What I'd suggest you if you wanna play SNGs is download the trial of SNGWizard,you can practise shoving ranges there and can also analyze your sessions using it and see what spots you missed or where you should have folded when you shoved/called The suggested ranges aren't 100% accurate because it doesnt take future-equity into consideration,but it's by far better than nothing SNGs are definitely better bankroll builders because you can get more volume in and have smaller swings (compared to MTTs) as well so I'd encourage you to take a look at it
I was actually thinking of switching for a bit to playing mostly sng's turbo but going down to the 1.08 games instead of the 2.12$ games. I am positive playing both is dangerous since they do differ so much.
On the 26th i spent an hour playing just sng's 4 tabling trying to make the video and win all 4. I underestimated the likely hood of that and almost went el tilto trying it. In the video the edge in my voice is not normally there lol. I looked at my stats after because my roll seemed unchanged and when i did i noticed i was steadily chipping away at the red. The beauty to me also of 4 tabling is if you win just 1 u are even -8cents in rake. 1 win and 1 2nd and im up albeit not noticeably but still i like those numbers. Also i noticed the poker site has a streaker board as well as sng leaderboard. two of the top 3 spots are occupied by 2.12$ turbo players both featured in my video. One of the two also has a streak of 6 games won. The monthly streaker board pays top 5 streaks pay:
The guy in first has 7 and the 4 others have 6 which is hard to do im sure. As for the leaderboard the top 25 pay and i am not under any illusions that its easy to do by any means but the pay is even better:
The beauty of the 6h turbos is that even 6th gives you points towards the leaderboard and the two players on it i know that only play 6h 2.12 cents are both in line for some real coin with only hours left.
So i was thinking ill try a day of solid 1$ 6h turbo grinding and check my rank and if its not even close ill rethink things. Edit- the first day of the month i mean so i can see what numbers people are getting.
lol chaotic or what?
Edited by MicroMachina (29 January 2012 @ 20:50 GMT)
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This video makes me really miss the super turbos on Full Tilt.
Bemyatm is right, crushing these is all about range vs range and fold equity. You can shove a lot wider than they can call with, so once you work out ranges, it's so ABC. Also as was already stated, you should never be limp/min raising in these. You put yourself in an awkward spot if they just call you're min raise, and limping just gives them a chance to outdraw you for free.
Realisticly, you MAY get away with a min-raise rarely, if you're doing so to induce a shove anyways with a monster, but most players are smart enough to see past that trick anyways.
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Posted by retribution: This video makes me really miss the super turbos on Full Tilt.
+11111111 man!!!
Nice video, Micromachina.
BeMyATMplz, if you coment all the 'interesting' hands in the video we can´t put any comment more . I totally agree you opinion except maybe 10:05 and 11:00.
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Very interesting video. I know less about super turbos ranges then BeMy so I wont say anything regarding that. I will just say: great video editing! Great job!
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Nice work. I know it may be a bit difficult to make more comments with four tables opened in a row, but it was nice to see you playing. And this Hero Poker tables, I have never seen them before, doesn’t this colors turn your eyes tired in short periods of time? Looks a bit dark to me.
