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9 handed, Blinds 15/30. UTG raises to 120, next to UTG calls. all fold to me in BB with QQ. 90 to call. 285 in the pot. I have 1380 chips and push all in. I totally regretted it and put him on aces or kings. But I also thought he could have 10s or jacks or maybe ace king. I wish I had some info on the guy, that would help make my decision, than I figured I'd call cause its just a $5 table and lots of donks but he showed AA and I got knocked out.
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Nothing else but call there. If you do that rather then going allin you could still trap him for entire stack if Q floped but then you would not lose your stack. At least i would do that. I do not like bingo play and i fold lots of strong hands if i think that i dont have a chance hitting the flop or i could get busted. But i noticed that lots of Germans and Canadians play like that, is there a reason to it?
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Posted by Predobar: i noticed that lots of Germans and Canadians play like that, is there a reason to it?
You mean play like if it was bingo? lol. I think its because we watch it on TV and we see all these pros doing these moves but on TV they only show the very best hands.
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yea, thats exactly it the only show the best hands so they show a guy going all in with QQ v AA and hittin a Q and winning... but i would of definatly called with pocket queens and seen the flop mayb he could of gave some more info on his hand with the flop
i think i would flat call the four times bb raise, it shows quite a bit of strength and would quite often be AQ AK, that way you could have dodged losing more if an ace hit,in this case it may have played out the same, you mite have not even lost your whole stack depending on how scary the board was, ie if their was straight and or flush AA mite not want to push there whole stack in, you could get to river and still have hips left
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Oh i forgot to mention Scandinavian players too.
Another thing why i dont like allin preflop is that you tie your hands and only luck can decide the outcome. SCDosset mentioned it, you can then bluff on suitable board to stronger cards, if you go allin you cant do anything. Its coin flip. And coin flip play is bingo play not poker. We have TV shows here but I did my homework, reaad a book or two, used common sense and come to conclusion that there was nothing wrong with my game. I will not make monstrous profit in a day but i wont lose either. And once youre busted there isnt any saved position which you can load. EDIT: Yeah i missed some big pots but i dont cry over them.
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if it was me in that position i would just call and see a flp atleats then if high cards come u can fold if they dont ure out any way coz u would probaly move all in so not 2 bad i supose it allways seems 2 happen 2 me i get ks all the time and lose 2 aces
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Everyone has pretty much 1500 chips, just started the sng.
If I call than no king, no ace comes than its going to be tough for me to play. I don't really like this situation. Would you check if no king no ace on flop or would you raise, fold to reraise? I don't know.
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depends what the board was. If flush draw came and hes not holding A of that suit you would probably won with check-reraise, same with some middle straight, of course if Q would have floped i would try to slow play him for entire stack. But since its SnG its hard to tell what he would do because people play much more like donks in tourneys, my guess is that he would probably call if flop was QQQ, so dont judge yourself just bad luck. Best outcome from this hand for you could be. not losing entire stack.
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thats a tough 1 if u just call and the flop comes high cards u can fold but if low cards come ure all in and out any way so it probably was the right move
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I think it was a very good desciosson but i have losed with qq against kk and aa alot of times i think you just need to take it and go on it happends all the time there is nothing to do about it just go on andd win more cash But i think you did the rite thing and call there with qq.
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Hey GeneYuss...nice question! I gotta be honest and say I actually don't know the correct answer to this. I know exactly what I would do in a cash game but since it's a tourney im blanc. If you only call you get no info about his hand so you'll probably lose stack (or just a biggie) unless you hit that set 10-12% chance I think. If you raise and he reraises....are you willing to fold QQ and have a really bad start at S&G?...if he only calls your raise you'll probably lose stack or most of it anyway. In a 5$ S&G it's so hard to say what's the right thing to do because there is so many donk players. This may sound ridiculous but since it's in the start of a tourney and most 5$ end pretty quickly you could consider folding it...I know it's easy to say when you know opponent has AA. Many people say that JJ is a very expensive hand I think QQ can be it too but it looks like a killer but is busted by donks who calls with weak aces or even smaller pair very often, especially in the smaller S&G most people are clueless. So if you wonna stick to the end (ITM) fold/call would be a conservative play but perhaps the right? But remember if you only call you are allmost giving the hand up pre and are playing for set value.....no set no bet! Sorry for the story but that's my thoughts.....in a 5$ S&G I think I would go broke here
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In SnG's it is many donks who playing they ust go all in with everything specially if it is a Turbo SnG or an extreme i was a guy who went all in 7 times in a row then i called him with ak and losed he had 67 and flopped 673 i hate when this things happend but unfortunally it happends
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I think call is right choice. Even if he had aces its only 90 to call. And if I hit Q on flop, 1 in 8 chance than I double up. Gamble 90 to win 1500. Getting better than 15-1 implied odds.
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Yeah I think so too but then you are playing for set value because you never found out that he has a bigger pocket pair. This is actually 1 of the reasons I prefer cash sometimes I feel that I can't play a hand "correctly" ofcourse it's just another way/play that is the correct in tourneys but cash came more natural to my playing style.