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Posted by aatje: Been reading these forums for years now and have never reacted to the rigged comments but i find it so tipical that always the same people at this site are on top of anyone who dears to think that a site maybe has housebots,bots,house players,set up hands etc etc .... Of course they do ...everyone whith a brain can see there are things happening also at the big sites that just are complete BS...these people that are so agressive to defend these sites and i have even see them treaten people untill they just give up obviously have an interrest in doing that because they been doing it for years here. And just because a hand history maybe look oke does not say anything about the outcome of deciding hands in big pots or critical times in a tournament..And big sites do have a reason to cheat...MONEY !! ...If they can make 10 times more by cheating with house bots for example in tournaments THEY WILL and THEY ARE ...If you think every player on pokerstars is a human you must have a plate in front of your face...If pokerstars only lets a few bots in every tournament they can make millions more every month...And now with all the small sites so openly cheating and all the shady stuff happening at almost every site i cant believe people still think online poker is real...ITS NOT....you win sometimes yes and some people must win ...i dont say they havent thought about it ...they smart...BUT ITS A COMPUTERPROGRAMME...A VIDEOGAME....MADE BY PEOPLE WHO WANT MONEY ....AMAP !!! Now all the people who have an interest in defening this online BS poker take a shot ....i know you will ...you been doing it for years....i wonder why...???? Call this reaction rigtard reaction, or conspiracy theorist or come with some hand history BS The fact is 99,99% of small players will never make it big online ... not because they play bad ...no because these computer programs wont let them Just like online casino's the casino pushes the win or loose button its not random....you think for example online BJ is random....you must be crazy or just dumb 1 more time everyone with a brain can see that also at the biggest site of the world cards arent falling naturaly whatever you PS or PP defenders whill say to this....its a fact... So to everyone and in this case H4RMony ....yes u are right and dont make these agressive people that populate these forums make you think otherwise....your brain is obviously working
They put bot at freeroll ? are you dream ? what are they get ? Not just happen at pokerstars. All poker site I play same like that. Casino on line is not fair I believe, but poker site ? They get income from rake or buy in fee, at casino they didn't.
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WHAT ABOUT THIS 1,IN BRM ON JOKERSTAR,I HAD 40K,I GET 88 4 PLAYERS CALLED THE 1600 BB,FLOP J-J-J,1 BET 5600$ 2 FOLDS ,OHTER 2 AND I CALLED TURN AN 3 ,BOTH GOES ALL IN, POT WAS BIG OVER 100K WHAT WAS THE RIVER ANOTHER F ING JACK,I LOST WHIT 88,THEY SPLIT WHIT A-3 AND A-?
HOW SICK IS THAT? AND WHAT WAS THE ODDS THAT A JACK CAME ON RIVER? CANT COUNTING AT THIS MOMENT...............
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In my opinion it is just a bad beat and nothing, I know it is difficult to accept but time will heal the wounds of those bad beats. Just part of the Poker game.
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Posted by zeroster: You use the word fact quite freely. Well facts require evidence, and I mean real evidence not just anecdotal. Without evidence your facts are just an opinion.
Bring me evidence and I may take it seriously.
May want to look at pokerstars blogs regarding the Bots that they caught on pokerstars 10 players anywhere upward of $150K which they have only seized $50K which they are looking at returning to loosing players.
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Posted by Indo36M: AND WHAT WAS THE ODDS THAT A JACK CAME ON RIVER?
This is 1 / (52 - known hole/community cards)
So, if you include the 4 community cards, your own hole cards + the hole cards of 3 callers, then the odds of the Jack landing on the river are
1 / (52 - 4 - 2 - 2 -2 -2) = 1 / 40
So..Unlucky, but it's not exactly like winning the lottery.. I think this is the problem with rigtards, you severly over estimate how unlikely things are to happen.. I think you all tend to forget there is only 52 cards in the deck and once you subtract known cards, even less than 52 remain to draw from.. As a result, even a 1 outter isn't all that unlikely and when it comes to hitting flushes/straights and any other draw that has multiple outs, well - then the chances are very real.
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Posted by aatje: Been reading these forums for years now and have never reacted to the rigged comments but i find it so tipical that always the same people at this site are on top of anyone who dears to think that a site maybe has housebots,bots,house players,set up hands etc etc .... Of course they do ...everyone whith a brain can see there are things happening also at the big sites that just are complete BS...these people that are so agressive to defend these sites and i have even see them treaten people untill they just give up obviously have an interrest in doing that because they been doing it for years here. And just because a hand history maybe look oke does not say anything about the outcome of deciding hands in big pots or critical times in a tournament..And big sites do have a reason to cheat...MONEY !! ...If they can make 10 times more by cheating with house bots for example in tournaments THEY WILL and THEY ARE ...If you think every player on pokerstars is a human you must have a plate in front of your face...If pokerstars only lets a few bots in every tournament they can make millions more every month...And now with all the small sites so openly cheating and all the shady stuff happening at almost every site i cant believe people still think online poker is real...ITS NOT....you win sometimes yes and some people must win ...i dont say they havent thought about it ...they smart...BUT ITS A COMPUTERPROGRAMME...A VIDEOGAME....MADE BY PEOPLE WHO WANT MONEY ....AMAP !!! Now all the people who have an interest in defening this online BS poker take a shot ....i know you will ...you been doing it for years....i wonder why...???? Call this reaction rigtard reaction, or conspiracy theorist or come with some hand history BS The fact is 99,99% of small players will never make it big online ... not because they play bad ...no because these computer programs wont let them Just like online casino's the casino pushes the win or loose button its not random....you think for example online BJ is random....you must be crazy or just dumb 1 more time everyone with a brain can see that also at the biggest site of the world cards arent falling naturaly whatever you PS or PP defenders whill say to this....its a fact... So to everyone and in this case H4RMony ....yes u are right and dont make these agressive people that populate these forums make you think otherwise....your brain is obviously working
Congratulations - after years of lurking, you finally decided to post a massive wall of incoherent text. (tip: use paragraphs).
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Posted by H4Rm0Ny:
And no... sorry but this things happen like 9 out of 10 freerrolls, but don't happen in other poker rooms.
The problem with this - and you need to understand, this is why educated people get upset when you post things like this - is that you've just made up a statistic to support your theory.. It is incredibly obvious that you have just pulled "9 out of 10" out of thin air; as opposed to any actually statistical analysis.
As such, we have no choice but to take your word for it - because you haven't actually provided any evidence at all for your incredible claim. This is why we not only don't believe you (all of you) but also go so far as to ridicule you - because to anyone who can appreciate the scientific method and evidence based arguments, your wild unsubstantiated claims are just a joke. More than that in fact, they're an insult.
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Posted by aatje: I can give a lot of proove but i dont get payed to do this like you guys so its just simple
It really blows my mind when you people get so incredibly crazy, that you actually think some of us are being paid, not to be crazy.
This is going to sound really harsh, but saying stuff like this is actually symptomatic of paranoid schizophrenia.. I'm not saying you have this - but I am saying I really wouldn't like to live in your world/mind.
Edited by jessthehuman (20 February 2012 @ 19:17 GMT)
Posted by jessthehuman: The problem with this - and you need to understand, this is why educated people get upset when you post things like this - is that you've just made up a statistic to support your theory.. It is incredibly obvious that you have just pulled "9 out of 10" out of thin air; as opposed to any actually statistical analysis.
As such, we have no choice but to take your word for it - because you haven't actually provided any evidence at all for your incredible claim. This is why we not only don't believe you (all of you) but also go so far as to ridicule you - because to anyone who can appreciate the scientific method and evidence based arguments, your wild unsubstantiated claims are just a joke. More than that in fact, they're an insult.
Hear hear! (+1)
The believe in this sort of "anecdotal evidence" is what leads to abominations like faith healers, magnetic bracelets and creationists...
Don't get me wrong, it's entirely possible (though not likely) that the game is rigged and all, but to offer a few example hands as evidence, accompanied by a 9 out of 10 claim, is ridiculous...
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This stuff is so interesting. Imagine how much money there is at play each day at Pokerstars. Managing to manipulate behind the scenes, or finding some "easy" way to profit must be very lucrative. And as they say, where there´s big money there´s bound to be crooks.
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It's not just PS! This happens on all sites I've played on. You see many more hands electronically then in live play. This means your going to see everything imagineable. If you play a lot of games on a daily basis and place in the money 20% of the time your doing really good. There's a lot of risky players / playing in electronic poker.
I've often sat and wondered how the heck at times, but low stakes, freerolls and tourney ticket entry games will always be a challenge so get used to it. Good Luck to All!
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Posted by zeroster: I play various online games, board games card games etc. and not for money, where an element of luck is involved. Be it cards, dice are whatever. the one thing all those games have in common is threads in their respective forums claiming that it's rigged.
At the end of the day people just want something to blame when it goes wrong for them. In real life it would be blamed on bad luck but as soon as a piece of software is involved the conspiracies start to fly.
Dude,
I play poker in real life with friends, and it's way different. Anyway, as I mencioned before, I've been playing Titan Poker and Party Poker and that pseudo-rigged game doesn't happen. Of course, sometimes it happens but in a regular basis. Anyway, this is just my experience, but whatever... If you are happy with PokerStars just try one of the above... I can tell you... You will notice the difference.
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Posted by H4Rm0Ny:
Posted by zeroster: I play various online games, board games card games etc. and not for money, where an element of luck is involved. Be it cards, dice are whatever. the one thing all those games have in common is threads in their respective forums claiming that it's rigged.
At the end of the day people just want something to blame when it goes wrong for them. In real life it would be blamed on bad luck but as soon as a piece of software is involved the conspiracies start to fly.
Dude,
I play poker in real life with friends, and it's way different. Anyway, as I mencioned before, I've been playing Titan Poker and Party Poker and that pseudo-rigged game doesn't happen. Of course, sometimes it happens but in a regular basis. Anyway, this is just my experience, but whatever... If you are happy with PokerStars just try one of the above... I can tell you... You will notice the difference.
I play poker in real life as well. Both with friends and at casinos and you are correct, these things don't happen nearly as often.
However, I don't believe the reason you see more bad beats and suckouts online is down to rigged poker rooms. I think it's more a case of bad players calling with any two cards.
In live games you just don't get half the table calling with junk the way you do online. In live games the junk that would have hit that miracle flush or straight will, more likely than not, have folded before the flop.
It's a simple equation; More junk calling preflop then chasing down to the river = More suckouts.
------------ One last thing before I leave this subject behind, here's a simple experiment you can try to illustrate what I'm saying:
Deal five sets of hole cards and then deal five community cards. Now repeat the process say 100 times and make a note of how often the best two cards pre-flop didn't win.
This is basically whats happening when you're playing against players that just wont fold, and it's a far more likely explanation than the site being rigged.
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Posted by zeroster: One last thing before I leave this subject behind
Heh - famous last words.. It's so hard to drop it.. The reason being is you make a final, rational point and think you can leave it at that. But then the next rigtard will post - they'll either just lie, or mis-understand your point, or completely ignore it. Something and whatever they write, will make you angry.. and eat away at you.. until you have to post again to correct them.
------------ Oh and also - of course the sites won't pay us either, if we don't reply!
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Posted by jessthehuman:
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Posted by H4Rm0Ny:
And no... sorry but this things happen like 9 out of 10 freerrolls, but don't happen in other poker rooms.
The problem with this - and you need to understand, this is why educated people get upset when you post things like this - is that you've just made up a statistic to support your theory.. It is incredibly obvious that you have just pulled "9 out of 10" out of thin air; as opposed to any actually statistical analysis.
As such, we have no choice but to take your word for it - because you haven't actually provided any evidence at all for your incredible claim. This is why we not only don't believe you (all of you) but also go so far as to ridicule you - because to anyone who can appreciate the scientific method and evidence based arguments, your wild unsubstantiated claims are just a joke. More than that in fact, they're an insult.
When I say 9 out of 10, of course I don't mean hands, I mean I get wasted that stupid way in almost all the tourneys I get to play on PS.
I could give you like 300 more examples, The fact is, this happens so often, that I don't even remember wich are the worst.
What would you like me to do? A printscreen of every stupid turn and river I get to loose with. I would love to do that since I know it will constantly happen.
And btw, insult is what PS does by not showing a regular basis game. It's an insult to all their users, who are keeping their business rolling.
I've had enough of it since I have found honest poker rooms like PP, TP and GP
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Posted by anan85: This stuff is so interesting. Imagine how much money there is at play each day at Pokerstars. Managing to manipulate behind the scenes, or finding some "easy" way to profit must be very lucrative. And as they say, where there's big money there's bound to be crooks.
Hey 1 more person who's brain is working....and all the others like JesstheHuman and more....you know who you are....i seen you defend these treads for years now every day if you have to and sometimes with treadning people and all. Yes i do think you have a interrest in ruling this forum with a few others and you pretty good at it to...but there are sertain patern in your reactions that always come back....why do you care so much that you been reacting to almost everyone of these treads for years ??...
And i have been playing poker almost all my life longer then most of you kids and online poker is just pure BS and NO i am not gonna get you proof because other people have tried so many times and you people always gang up and shoot the poor bastards down with 10 vs 1
You guys are just so sad with your standard answers with rigtards and us beeing crazy and seeing aliens ...always the same f ing BS answers
Well for all the people who think online poker is BS .... YOU ARE RIGHT ...whatever these f ..ckerz have to say on this forum....Everyone who has played a lot of online poker and still hasnt figured out he/she is getting scammed probely deserved it for beeing a idiot
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Posted by aatje:
Posted by anan85: This stuff is so interesting. Imagine how much money there is at play each day at Pokerstars. Managing to manipulate behind the scenes, or finding some "easy" way to profit must be very lucrative. And as they say, where there's big money there's bound to be crooks.
Hey 1 more person who's brain is working....and all the others like JesstheHuman and more....you know who you are....i seen you defend these treads for years now every day if you have to and sometimes with treadning people and all. Yes i do think you have a interrest in ruling this forum with a few others and you pretty good at it to...but there are sertain patern in your reactions that always come back....why do you care so much that you been reacting to almost everyone of these treads for years ??...
And i have been playing poker almost all my life longer then most of you kids and online poker is just pure BS and NO i am not gonna get you proof because other people have tried so many times and you people always gang up and shoot the poor bastards down with 10 vs 1
You guys are just so sad with your standard answers with rigtards and us beeing crazy and seeing aliens ...always the same f ing BS answers
Well for all the people who think online poker is BS .... YOU ARE RIGHT ...whatever these f ..ckerz have to say on this forum....Everyone who has played a lot of online poker and still hasnt figured out he/she is getting scammed probely deserved it for beeing a idiot
Congrats on the paragraphs this time, seriously- a much nicer read. Keep it up
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Feb 4 2012 Sunday Storm... Sat for so many hours... not a single hand playable, and the only time I can win is when I shove with any two cards and pray nobody calls. My table is being dominated by 1 player only... He's getting ALL monster hands... every now and then, whilst the entire table is trying and sweating it out. Playing mediocre hands. Checked other tables with big stacks and noticed the same thing. And the weird part of it is, 5 tables I observed are dominated by canadians, getting monster hands almost every 5 - 10 minutes!!! (No wonder a lot of Sunday Million and other sunday majors has canadian players. (Clarify, I am not against canadian players... Nor am I accusing them of anything... I just ENVY the frequency of good legit cards they get... )
Bah... Out of boredom, I observed other tables... so the same thing... 1 player dominates the table chippinng away on the other players stack... etc.
Now that is weird, and just look at this... It's like, I put 9 people in 1 table, and 1 of them is my chosen one... This is just one of the many weirdness I have observed with sunday majors:
And these past days, the quads over quads with 1 player hitting full house has happened quite often too... Not JUST to me, but also a few players I happen to have had a chat with. (Yes! 3 Players in one hand, 2 of which are quads, and the other one is full house!!!! This has happened to me, twice the past week, with me being the underdog quads)
And any one here observed the FLOP of flush which 70 to 80 percent of the time will end in the river of 1 card flush... So whenever I see this, I do a test bet, and even if I'm holding AA I'll check the turn and the river... coz if I encounter this kind of flop, the OPP will definitely go to the river... and I have never won 1 freak hand under this situation, unless the river pairs the board, and I hit the set...
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You came to talk about freerolls and you are worried how could someone win with a bad hand against a good hand? At freerolls, the will always be players moving always all-in till they get a certain amount of chips, and others who do it for fun, not caring about the result because they aren’t beting anything. That is the problem of freerolls. Same take it for real, fighting for the prize since the beginning, others will just click any button from the options and not caring about if they win or lose. Winning a freeroll is a sign one knows how to control all this factors. So make a new effort.
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Those things happen on live poker too, you cannot blame poker site for fishes. I am playing on PokerStars and I saw a lot of sick, sick hands, that is true, but its fault of players who cant fold their flush draw, or 3rd pair on the board and so on.. My advice for you is to deposit some cash, and avoid freerolls
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Posted by aatje:
Well for all the people who think online poker is BS .... YOU ARE RIGHT ...whatever these f ..ckerz have to say on this forum....Everyone who has played a lot of online poker and still hasnt figured out he/she is getting scammed probely deserved it for beeing a idiot
so, in your opinion, everyone who is winning in online poker is a scammer?
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