Full Tilt Poker Game #5787190162: Table Victory - $0.25/$0.50 - No Limit Hold'em - 4:39:12 ET - 2008/03/26 Seat 1: oaklandball ($21.15) Seat 2: Stoystar ($50) Seat 3: Rometiklan ($16.35) Seat 4: Lord of Luck ($22.80) Seat 5: SoWEJET ($52.40) Seat 6: Lt Com Troy ($18.15) Seat 7: BRAZOLIVE ($23.85) Seat 8: RunGunnin ($41.75) Seat 9: ODB235 ($49.75) Stoystar posts the small blind of $0.25 Rometiklan posts the big blind of $0.50 The button is in seat #1 *** HOLE CARDS *** Dealt to SoWEJET [Ah As] Lord of Luck calls $0.50 SoWEJET raises to $2 Lt Com Troy folds BRAZOLIVE folds RunGunnin folds ODB235 folds oaklandball folds Stoystar adds $0.25 Stoystar folds Rometiklan folds Lord of Luck raises to $14 SoWEJET raises to $40 Lord of Luck calls $8.80, and is all in SoWEJET shows [Ah As] Lord of Luck shows [2h 3h] Uncalled bet of $19.20 returned to SoWEJET *** FLOP *** [6h 5h 2s] *** TURN *** [6h 5h 2s] *** RIVER *** [6h 5h 2s 9h] SoWEJET shows a pair of Aces Lord of Luck shows a flush, Nine high Lord of Luck wins the pot ($44.05) with a flush, Nine high SoWEJET: donk. *** SUMMARY *** Total pot $46.35 | Rake $2.30 Board: [6h 5h 2s 9h Qc] Seat 1: oaklandball (button) didn't bet (folded) Seat 2: Stoystar (small blind) folded before the Flop Seat 3: Rometiklan (big blind) folded before the Flop Seat 4: Lord of Luck showed [2h 3h] and won ($44.05) with a flush, Nine high Seat 5: SoWEJET showed [Ah As] and lost with a pair of Aces Seat 6: Lt Com Troy didn't bet (folded) Seat 7: BRAZOLIVE didn't bet (folded) Seat 8: RunGunnin didn't bet (folded) Seat 9: ODB235 didn't bet (folded)
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He really did get lucky there, but why do you people go allin preflop? Ask yourself would you go allin on the flop or the turn in that hand. You dont play poker you play lotto, bingo whatever. There is no better feeling when you outplay someone and never tilted if someone outplayed me, NEVER. Even enjoyed it because it was true hand of poker not some bingo draw. We discussed that topic before, every hand including A-A and 7-2 has same chance of hitting the flop before the cards are dealt, and only someone who knows the deck can say that either will hit the flop. Search the forums for "does anyone know the odds", i think that was the name of the thread.
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Predobar, you can't go wrong going all in with aces. You're gonna win 80% of the time if not more with them. In the long run you will make profit...Just a bad beat..terrible player lol.
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i agree how can you say he shouldnt have went all in on AA ? i would go all in with them 100 times out of 100 and yes i may lose sometimes but i will win more often thean i would lose,, its just sad you get fools calling with 23 and stuff. better luck next time mn.
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you didnt do anything wrong you just faced the donkest idiot ive ever seen so keep at the same way youll win in the long run lots of money so cheer up mate and dont fold AA preflop
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I would probably go allin too, but i still miss the point. You are all bound to that 80%, and its ok with me. Does that percentage shows how much money you will win, NO. Does that shows how much you will lose, NO. Does that shows that 4 out of 5 times you will win, NO. You can lose $1000 in one hand and win $100 in 4. Slots also have 97% payout and how many of you have made money on slots, only few probably 3%. Numbers are for evaluation purpose not facts. You can exist in those 20% boundary for very long period of time. There is no data how long will that 20% last. EDIT: The name of the guy shows it all. lol
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Predobar, if you continue to play when you are 80% ahead than you will win in the long run. Theres a lot of luck in holdem..And you can't fold the nuts..
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I didnt say that i will fold A-A, but one should be carefull how much money you lose and how much win when playing any hand. Statistics are here to help not to decide the outcome. You can lose 10 hands in a row with A-A and lose so much money that you would need 30+ other hands to make it even. Thats all im trying to say. Raise big but dont close yourself in a no exit situation. Look at it this way i fold A-A when pot is too big for me(wont happen soon). Would i win or not doesnt matter. But i lost only BB, then i get some mediocre hand and i play it well and get some money im up with money without risking entire stack in hand before this one. Tournament play doesnt apply to this rule, we are talking about cash tables where blinds dont chase you out. I fold lots of mediocre to strong hands if someone is playing bingo on the table and rather choose to wait for other hand. EDIT: Then again i call a lots of raises with hands which are apropriate at the given hand. If 5 players which are tight are in the pot doesnt matter the size, i would call with any cards if they are from 3-j connected and if they are suited even better.
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right on bro, i learned my lessons the hard way, even losing a whole bankroll, now, you can just call me the flop guy, i just don't go all-in wihtout seeing the flop and yeah, the name of the guy says it all.
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Predobar, theres a simply solution and that is bankroll management. If you have good bankroll management than you can afford to go all in preflop with aces and lose. You can't fold everytime someone goes all in.
i dont see at what point he made a wrong move, he reraised to 4 BB, the perfect raise, we have seen many people min raising their aces and getting in trouble in the BRM forum.
Then he got reraised, at this point to lay down his hand is silly, and with no flop will he honestly be able to lay his hand down so the reraise again is perfect.
and predo your stats on slots were misleading, for slots every dollar you put in you are likely to get back 97 cents thats where the 97% stat you get means, not that 97% of people will make a profit. when you put your money all in preflop the odds say you are likely to get $1.60 off your $1. thats why playing slots is a bad idea but all in preflop with aces never is
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for slots every dollar you put in you are likely to get back 97 cents thats
did you got your 97 cents on slots back? i did not mean that 97% people will make profit but when you take $1 as 100% you should make $0.97. great profit (sarcasm).
when you put your money all in preflop the odds say you are likely to get $1.60 off your $1
odds there tell you that you are likely to win hand. BUT as this is statistic, you cannot say that you will win 4 out of 5 hands. you can easily lose all 5 and even more than 5. And i did not say that he should play soft, but going all in is stupid. If he made lets say $10 raise preflop, i really wonder would that guy called. I dont know how DieSeven played before but as i see its standard 4x BB (1.75 would be to much by the book) bet if he bet 4x everytime he got strong hand guy could think he has something like J-Qoff and ill take my chance with bluff, and if DieSeven took some time to consider would he go allin or not Lordofluck could have easily taken that as "i dont have good cards but ill try to bet him out". Who knows what was going on in his head, maybe he just tilted on some other table.
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what predobar is saying that its a lotto and anything can happen.. i dont think he played it perfect either... going all in pre flop does a couple things for you... it can scare people off and you dont maximize the amount of money you can get if every1 folds... and/or that can happen.. you can get "unlucky"
see the flop then hope they also hit the flop and make your more there or on the turn.. set the trap.. play poker not the lottery like predobar is saying
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DiESeven raised it 4x bb and got rerasied pretty much all in..How would you guys play it? Its not a good idea to slow play aces..you'll get burned easily.
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if you slow play aces and get burned then youll lose SOME money if you FAST play aces and get burned youve lost ALL your money.. theres no right and wrong way im just saying theres more ways to play it..
he raised it $2 the other guy re-raised it $14.. then he went and called the other guy all in..
so just call the $14 see the flop and then make your move... its safer... with the flush draw out there you can see how it goes it came on the turn so might of been some saving grace there?
