Joined: Aug '07
Location: Malta
Age: 41 (M)
Posts: 8320
Hi,
We are trying to figure out if we should try to setup a Mob Shop where you can buy some merchandise, t-shirts, hats etc. Both for real money but hopefully also for Mob Points. There is one problem however - countries may have restrictions on how much value items shipped from abroad can be, without you having to pay tax/VAT when entering your country.
For example, if you live in Denmark and you order something from outside EU that has a total value (including shipping!!) of more than around $15, you will have to pay 25% VAT plus a $25 processing fee (approximately), which makes a $20 t-shirt cost around $56..... If item is shipped from inside EU, there's no tax/VAT/fee to be added.
Please list your country and value limit for tax-free items from abroad, so we can figure out how to approach this regarding shipping.
Edited by Administrator (18 March 2012 @ 10:26 GMT)
Joined: Jan '12
Location: United Kingdom
Age: 36 (M)
Posts: 1204
The government overcomplicate everything but this is what I found for items outside of the EU...
All other goods If you order or send purchased goods other than alcohol, tobacco, perfume and toilet water from a country outside the EU then you: don't have to pay Excise Duty may have to pay Customs Duty on goods with a value that exceeds £135 will have to pay Import VAT on goods with a value that exceeds £15 Note that on all goods from outside the EU, Customs Duty is waived if the amount of duty calculated is £9 or under.
Maybe you should look through this site because I'm not sure if this is the info you want, I'm useless when it comes to things like this.
Joined: Mar '08
Location: United Kingdom
Age: 44 (M)
Posts: 6714
Seams quite complex, but the simple answer for here.
Any goods imported into the UK over the value of £15 are liable to import VAT. (18e or $23(us)) Gifts between private individuals over the value of £40 are also liable for VAT. (within the EU)
Joined: Jan '09
Location: Italy
Age: 53 (M)
Posts: 3871
Here is Italian situation: even if there are few italians interested I guess.
Of course I'll talk abuot goods from outside UE: no tax are due because of inside UE transactions.
1) Value of the good (shipping included) less or equal € 22:
- no taxes at all are due
2) Value of the good (shipping included) > €22.01 and < € 150.00:
- only VAT is due: usually it's 21% of transactions' value (it depends on goods nature but am almost sure it's the right one for BRM merchandisee)
3) More than € 150: it's a bit more complex ...it's a 21% VAT (same considerations as above) and a variable duty depending on some factors ....ask me if necessary
Joined: Nov '10
Location: Serbia
Age: 37 (M)
Posts: 2087
Well regarding Bosnia and Herzegovina and Serbia I dont know exactly but Ive recived 2 items from PokerStars (hat and USB chip) and I got to pay 1 euro for hat and nothing for chip. Im guessing it will be the same for bankrollmob shop...
------------ Just took reasearch and it seems that everything with price lower then 45euros is free for import. I dont know how they took me 1 euro for hath that worths 15$ but hey... its Balkans
Joined: Mar '09
Location: Greece
Age: 47 (F)
Posts: 14136
Its kinda hard to answer that question in this country. Ive tried lots of times to find out the answer and always i come up to either 35 Euro or 100$. That is for all countries outside EU.
You need to have in mind though that when you use a shipping method like Fedex or UPS especially Fedex on purpose takes all parcels through customs in order to get paid extra. Same items with USPS and Fedex for example (real example) USPS delivered straight away Fedex took it through customs.
So no matter what dont use such companies. Domestic public post office will be better for this.
Bottom line certified by myself numerous times 35 Euro is untaxable in Greece for all countries outside the EU.
Inside EU we dont pay anything no matter the cost is.
Joined: May '09
Location: India
Age: 37 (M)
Posts: 4873
i dont think many people from my country will be ordering from BRM due to very high shipping costs and few members. anyway i searched and found this- if items are sent as gift - then no custom duty if value is <200$ if items are not sent as gift - then custom duty depends on raw material used but is usually 10% or 20$ min for tshirts
p.s. - my knowledge in these matters is poor and i dont knw if vat or any other tax will be applicable
Joined: Jan '11
Location: United States
Age: 60 (M)
Posts: 3361
I blieve I understand what your request is, but some countries also include the weight of the item being shipped. I'm sure BRM won't be shipping lead or gold BRM statues, but I'm thinking it's about $2.50 on something like a hat or shirt. I'm going to verify this with the U.S. shipping specialist at our facility and will post again after I find some logistics.
Joined: Sep '11
Location: Australia
Age: 61 (M)
Posts: 13
I moved to australia from the uk and know how to get around it as I post and recieve a lot too and from home . its an easy one to overcome , as long as it is stated on the package that its a present there is no duty to pay , most internet shops will do this if sending over seas , hope this helps
Joined: Mar '11
Location: Canada
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I've ordered a few items from Hong Kong from big sellers on EBay Two weeks ago just received 32g Transcend Flash drive which I paid $ 36 US for from a company who has sold over 16,000 items. It came in a small openable envelope with a company declaration on it stating it was gift and value $ 10. This is the usual way of companies sendiing small items to other countries handle it.
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Thats not a rule byng0. That is happening with ebay sellers and sometimes with real companies outside that but ni general you are risking many times getting caught from a random check to small packets or an employee getting suspicious for some reason and the your Cheap item will cost you most probably higher than if you have purchased in your country (that if it is available in your country)
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Posted by Mober: Thats not a rule byng0. That is happening with ebay sellers and sometimes with real companies outside that but ni general you are risking many times getting caught from a random check to small packets or an employee getting suspicious for some reason and the your Cheap item will cost you most probably higher than if you have purchased in your country (that if it is available in your country)
The question from the Admin was
" how do they tax in YOUR country " No Idea how they do it in Greece but me or my friends have had no problems on items under $ 100
Joined: Mar '09
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Posted by byng0:
Posted by Mober: Thats not a rule byng0. That is happening with ebay sellers and sometimes with real companies outside that but ni general you are risking many times getting caught from a random check to small packets or an employee getting suspicious for some reason and the your Cheap item will cost you most probably higher than if you have purchased in your country (that if it is available in your country)
The question from the Admin was
" how do they tax in YOUR country " No Idea how they do it in Greece but me or my friends have had no problems on items under $ 100
Thank you
The gift option applies to all countries if im not wrong and that goes for Greece too. but that doesnt mean you are safe by putting this in the package. Even if it is a gift with value below the one taxed in your country or mine they can still open your package if they like.
Thats what i said. Not that what you said was wrong or doesnt happening.
You think Custom employees dont know about the "gift" scenario ?
Joined: Mar '11
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Mober You are right They could tax you on anything over $ 1 They can open any package they want and do. What I'm saying to end this lovely conversation is Here in Canada and I live near the Border of Canada and the US and travel accross at least once a week because so many products are cheaper, gas, many food items, electronics, etc. The rule is: $ 50 after 24 hours $ 400 after 48 hours , Day trips $ 0
I have been going down for over 22 years on day trips and always tell exactly what I have . Only twice have I had to go in and pay Duty ( tax ) out of and estimated 1000 plus trips. Have declared as much as $ 265 and most recent was a HP LED Monitor 25 inch for my computer and got it on sale before Xmas for $ 225 plus tax , came to $ 250 Declared it at border and ready to pay tax GST about 14 % They are more concerned about liquor and cigarettes than anything else. Customs Officer says " have anice day " and I say " God bless you "
The point being rules are rules but in the big picture they are more concerned about illegal items.
Now , no I haven't answered the question or disputing your remarks but every country has it's own tolerence levels and ours here in Canada are good for the products that don't raise a red flag.
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Location: United Kingdom
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may be a bit stupid but have you tried finding out how the poker sites like 888 and pokerstars work their shop/shipping see if you can copy/tag on whatever? just a thought x
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Posted by xDINGERx: may be a bit stupid but have you tried finding out how the poker sites like 888 and pokerstars work their shop/shipping see if you can copy/tag on whatever? just a thought x
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Posted by xDINGERx: may be a bit stupid but have you tried finding out how the poker sites like 888 and pokerstars work their shop/shipping see if you can copy/tag on whatever? just a thought x
Posted by byng0: Mober You are right They could tax you on anything over $ 1 They can open any package they want and do. What I'm saying to end this lovely conversation is Here in Canada and I live near the Border of Canada and the US and travel accross at least once a week because so many products are cheaper, gas, many food items, electronics, etc. The rule is: $ 50 after 24 hours $ 400 after 48 hours , Day trips $ 0
I have been going down for over 22 years on day trips and always tell exactly what I have . Only twice have I had to go in and pay Duty ( tax ) out of and estimated 1000 plus trips. Have declared as much as $ 265 and most recent was a HP LED Monitor 25 inch for my computer and got it on sale before Xmas for $ 225 plus tax , came to $ 250 Declared it at border and ready to pay tax GST about 14 % They are more concerned about liquor and cigarettes than anything else. Customs Officer says " have anice day " and I say " God bless you "
The point being rules are rules but in the big picture they are more concerned about illegal items.
Now , no I haven't answered the question or disputing your remarks but every country has it's own tolerence levels and ours here in Canada are good for the products that don't raise a red flag.
Whew, I hate typing wiyh 1 finger
Take Care Mober !! XXXOOXX
....when the 2012 Federal Budget passes all those rates stated above double.
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Overview
Import duty and taxes are due when importing goods into Romania from outside of the EU whether by a private individual or a commercial entity. The import duty and taxes payable are calculated on the value of the imported goods plus the cost of importing them (shipping and insurance).
Duty Rates
The duty rates applied to imports into Romania typically range between 0% (for example books) and 17% (for example Wellington Boots). Some products, such as Laptops, Mobile Phones, Digital cameras and Video Game consoles, are duty free. Certain goods may be subject to additional duties depending on the country of manufacture, for example Bicycles made in China carry an additional (anti dumping) duty of 48.5%.
VAT Rates
The standard VAT rate for importing items into Romania is 24%. VAT is calculated on the value of the goods, plus the international shipping costs and insurance, plus any import duty due.
Minimum thresholds
When importing goods into Romania, duty is not charged, if the total value of the goods (not including shipping charges or insurance) does not exceed €150.
Other taxes and custom fees
Excise duty is payable on for example tobacco and alcohol. Additional custom fees can be charged to cover the expense of performing any required examinations, verification and or testing of the imported goods.
Local Customs office and contacts
More information on import declaration procedures and import restrictions you can find at the Romanian Customs website: http://www.customs.ro/
