I think this informative video really adds something to this debate and perhaps also educates a lot of people to tolerate each other and not to be so racist
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@fathandsslei, we actually would be sunk, just look in to our history and see who the workers are/were, different now, now we don't need them so much people forget who built us and turn their backs. Our unemployment has NOTHING to do with migrant workers, we sold out! If we did not we would NEED them, the more we need them, the better of we are. Im all for anyone anywhere, I mean what is English, we are born he so we have more rights to be here than anyone else, never understood it, I was born on earth, I belong to it all, and all to it, when did we forget that we are human? Immigrants come here for a better life, and who is anyone to deny them that, we fight in many countries, saying its for the people, but not allow refuge, LOL, for the people, LOL again. Most who come here have good intentions, but some will get in a rut, expessily those who are illegal, and my fooking god they work hard, mainly exposed and abused, but I'm sure you will find it's British born people who are the biggest drag. Not at you, just generally for this thread. @simon6, would it be OK if it was British people? 300 mill a year, wow, id be frigging happy if that's all they lost a week in 2007+ I personally can't wait to leave this ship, and hope I'll be welcomed it to the countrie/s I decide to settle. Also find out why your dad fought in a war, learn the truth, understand politics. Wounder why we took people from their homes and families, put them on ships and made them slaves...ohhh sorry, we are great, so lets dictate, repress and help out all those countries that lay on oil and diamonds etc, you make me feel ashamed.
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In holland the most east european drive in BMW,JAGUARS,MERCEDES,it's almost the poorest country off europe,by a lot off ATM machine they make a camera in the night "in holland they called it skimmers,whit the camera they see the people's ATM code,when they get the chance,they take the ATM card and steel all the money what they can take,and sometime's they rob on the highway Trucks whit a Container full off LCD t.v's ,Tablets,Phones.what i try to say is those guys are afraid from no 1 in Romania they own the police,but remeber not ALL eat europe people are like that,in every country rich or poor people do this kind off things,specialy in this time off the CRISIS.... look what's going on in Greece....the poor people getting poorer,and the the richest getiing richer and richer,thats the way live goes.I also think how can a guy off the age off 22 can buy a BMW 330CSi? if i see those type's i think off 1 conclusion,or they are criminals,drugdealers ans the so called loverboys...........,but they are not all the same,the other work hard for money and some doing criminal activity's,and that s.h.i.t happends everywhere.......
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Posted by fathandsslei:
Posted by MicroMachina:
Immigrants are hard workers and without transnationals your country would be sunk because i can sure as f**k bet you aint getting off your welfare ass to start cleaning ditches.
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before i start i don't agree with simon6 but micromachina you have annoyed me with this comment. i don't particularly want to get into a discussion about immigration on a poker forum. but please don't make such comments as for a start by saying what you have, you're making a similar ignorant point/insult at simon6(and me and any other englishman) as simon6 has at romanians. and you can't group all immigrants as "hard workers" as it just isn't true i'm not saying everyone that is english is hard working either but trust me not all immigrants come to england to be "hard workers". england does have a problem with immigration and its causing alot of tension and problems in and for our country. also i do not believe our country would be "sunk" without them (this also annoyed me alot) i'm sure we would still have our share fair of problems to deal with as do most countries but i'm sure we would be fine without all the migrant workers and non migrant workers. as incase you didn't know our country has a huge problem with increasing unemployment rates so if all the migrant workers were stopped from coming over we maybe able to tackle this problem rather than it getting worse.
i just want you to see micromachina what you have said is also ignorant and offensive just like simon6 was! [/QUOTE]
Your govey advertises in places like the phillipines because noone will do the jobs they will for that wage. You want to blame someone? Blame the Multinational manufacturing corporations that left you after they used you. Maybe even blame the unions or the workers that voted for such lofty increases time and time again.
Coming online and spouting hate about a whole nation is so appalling i decided to toss some mud back at him and if it sticks then so be it.
These people leave their country and everything they have so they can work abroad and send money back to their families. Maybe they should just sit at home and cry about how unfair life is instead of picking up your trash.
please look at the farming industry in the United States after they stopped letting Mexicans work without visas. Canada and all the developed nations needs this type of labour because we are too entitled to do it ourselves.
------------ i dislike gypsies btw. those bastards are sneaky. i know im coming off intolerant but i never worried about bullies. Sometimes you have to fight for things you believe in and i believe the op and people who share his ignorance are in dire need of a taste of reality.
People on wlefare in Canada arent mostly immigrants they are fat lazy people who were born here. Immigrants dont usually pay taxes and thats not their doing. People employ them because they dont have to pay them taxes because they are nobodies and usually unable to win any grievances against said employers.
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The people from other countries are soo bad. This time the romanians, before the russians, chinese player etc. But the truth is: all people on this world have the same rights to play poker when they want.
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i really got carried away. I wish i had of seen b1g's post before i posted mine. You and DaCapo nailed it, it is about rights and i just believe we should all have the same ones. I really wish i could take back my post. It's even more ignorant considering how i claimed to know better.
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I don't want to get into any arguments with any of you, but this is BRM which is a poker site or reference poketr site. I just think the topic is way off subject here. Even if BRM has an "Off-Subject" area to post. This is a place to discuss poker and maybe skew off topic a bit, but to start attacking countries or certain race of people is just bazaar.
The only thing I can say is, I've traveled around this world and I do mean all over. One thing I've seen is good people and not so good people in every country / state I've visited. Let's be kind to eachother here in BRM because we all have something in common, we enjoy playing poker.
May the lord bless all and I'm not some big religious geek. Good Luck!
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No one would ever say that immigrants are only hard worker lol.. OF course there are many romaninas who perhaps went there just to make bad..but tf not judge us all...it's pretty frustrating.. we do have alot of trouble with gipies here as well...but we don't say that they are all the same... and the image created by them and romaininas (who are only interested in scams/crimes,etc) thought all these years its a very bad one.. If I'll go on holiday in all the contries in eurpoe(like it happend last year in Spain and Italy) they point the finger at you..cause guess wot? you're romanaian and your image is very "dirty"..but there are also people who thinks the opposite...
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Posted by fathandsslei:
Posted by MicroMachina:
Immigrants are hard workers and without transnationals your country would be sunk because i can sure as f**k bet you aint getting off your welfare ass to start cleaning ditches.
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before i start i don't agree with simon6 but micromachina you have annoyed me with this comment. i don't particularly want to get into a discussion about immigration on a poker forum. but please don't make such comments as for a start by saying what you have, you're making a similar ignorant point/insult at simon6(and me and any other englishman) as simon6 has at romanians. and you can't group all immigrants as "hard workers" as it just isn't true i'm not saying everyone that is english is hard working either but trust me not all immigrants come to england to be "hard workers". england does have a problem with immigration and its causing alot of tension and problems in and for our country. also i do not believe our country would be "sunk" without them (this also annoyed me alot) i'm sure we would still have our share fair of problems to deal with as do most countries but i'm sure we would be fine without all the migrant workers and non migrant workers. as incase you didn't know our country has a huge problem with increasing unemployment rates so if all the migrant workers were stopped from coming over we maybe able to tackle this problem rather than it getting worse.
i just want you to see micromachina what you have said is also ignorant and offensive just like simon6 was! [/QUOTE]
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Posted by simon6: aburila posted this "I think your post its kind of racist" by the way aburila is a Romanian living in the UK.
aburila its either racist or it aint it cant be a kind of racist
on that I will let you all come to your own decisions on that
as for rule 2 I am still able to put my point were a certain race is screwing my country, the one I mentioned earlier is just one of em there are 2 many too count to be honest so I would give up now on that point it wont work with me nor would it work I would say with 99% of true English born people.
My final point is that England is and always has been to bl-oody soft in the past, every one and his family for some reason want to get in here any way they can.
It is only recently that the English welfare system has had to say no on many things that was so easily available to any one who managed to reach our shores, because the foreigners have drained our country dry wehter they have had the right to come here or not, were has before they got a house free rent, money to keep there family free health care all of this was achieved free to the user when required because my Dad fought a bloody war and after that we built our nation up to be better than it was before only to be have beggars knocking on our door because it was so easy to snatch any thing for nothing so dont u come up with your remarks of racialism to me.
How would I be greeted by Romanians if the role was reversed and I became the beggar, you already have been given the help and you are still here.
Does it mean I am a racist because my Mother couldnt get the health care she needed before she eventually died because all the beds were taken by people from other countries.
How many countries does England help out with charity welfare donations to give just one area of help there are to many of those also to mention, even though my own race is loosing out because we also are now in the sh-ite, but good old England it never fails to provide out side or inside help to other nations.
All this from a little old country like England.
I can and always will give my point of view on these issues were only the truth is being written that doesnt put myself in the area that you are trying to place me in.
Also our crime problem isnt all Engish we have loads of free loaders supplying contraband of all discriptions but the main providers are from over seas nations who stopped of and decided to stay, I wont mention the items because most are aware of what is going on here.
ohh nice one 58 old ignorant if bad romanians or gipsies screw or scam, kill your people and so one you we are not all the same and is not necessarily Romania's fault.. it is your fault as well..cause your system allows them to do so. Here in romanina they get 15 years prison for a similar thing and trust me they are all caught up here and most of them are afraid to do that here in Romania soo they're leaving our country for a better one like UK, Italy, Spain, etc, which systems allow them to do that, and if they are caught they will get at maximum 3 years of prision or nothing guess why? cause the system allows them
Let me make you an example: It occured in Italy.. A gipsy form Romania or Ucraine(i don't remember) got drunk and killed 4 students(16, 17, 19 and 14) on a football field because he lost the control of the car. Guess wot the italian laws did for him? this is the best part He had a good lawyer and he was able to do 'prison' at home..He didn't go to a really prison not even one fff day..He was wellcomed by an italian family and he became very popular after this.. and that family got riched after because they made up : Roma jeans, Roma Pafume, etc exploiting his name and popularity(type it on google and you'll find it) . If that had hapend here he hwould have spent the rest of his live in prison After he will finish the 4 years prison(I think will happen this year) he will be rich and will be able to spen his money..
And by the way try to review the II world war you father fought in because he didn't want you to speak german and you should also thank USA for joining your father in the battle
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gymmmy999 wrote
your Father fought the war because he didnt want to speak German review the II orld war"
No gymmmy999 I dont need to review the IInd world war I know why Engand declared war against Germany.
England gave Germany a date to stop killing and persicuting the people of Poland and to evacuate there troops by that date.
Germany decided that little England cant beat us and so didnt leave Poland they carried on killing and persicuting the Polish People and Jews ect.
But England did what they are good at through all of our history and stood up for the country who had no army/air force/navy big enough to protect themselves from one sick git Adolph and took care of the German army/air force/navy so all europe was free from this dictator who wanted the world to dictate to but was stopped from doing so,
D Day Landings ring a bell.
Again the British monarchy/parliament came to the rescue again who most of the common wealth still want our Queeen to belong to those countries, again not bad from little old England is it.
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I guess you mean Britain, and you did a great job of not mentioning France, there was no asking, we were forced to declair war, not a choice, there to protect them, remember USSR, a lot of help we were then, 2 weeks or so after the invasion, it was to protect our own interests.
Germany would have wiped our asses if they wanted, but being so involved in other places we were little concern and out of the way, USSR actually played Hitler.
Ever wonder why Germany was divided for so long, guess we were helping there too. I'll just stop, really is no point explaining as the war that your dad had no choice to fight in has nothing whatsoever to do with immigration, Romania or theft.
as i said before don't want to get into this as we all obviously have different views on it and it could go on some time, but just to respond to sadamman and B1gfoot. @sadamman micromachina clearly wasn't speaking the "absolute truth" which he has now apologised for some things he said, and you can't tell me what does and does not offend me?! thats is for me to decide. @B1gfoot like i was getting at everywhere has criminals, hard workers, lazy people etc, i was just trying to point out not all migrants are "hard workers" nor was i saying they are all criminals. and i fail to see how you can say that there is no correlation to increased unemployment figures and migrants entering our country, of course it will have an effect on it!
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Posted by MicroMachina:
Posted by simon6: aburila posted this "I think your post its kind of racist" by the way aburila is a Romanian living in the UK.
aburila its either racist or it aint it cant be a kind of racist
on that I will let you all come to your own decisions on that
as for rule 2 I am still able to put my point were a certain race is screwing my country, the one I mentioned earlier is just one of em there are 2 many too count to be honest so I would give up now on that point it wont work with me nor would it work I would say with 99% of true English born people.
My final point is that England is and always has been to bl-oody soft in the past, every one and his family for some reason want to get in here any way they can.
It is only recently that the English welfare system has had to say no on many things that was so easily available to any one who managed to reach our shores, because the foreigners have drained our country dry wehter they have had the right to come here or not, were has before they got a house free rent, money to keep there family free health care all of this was achieved free to the user when required because my Dad fought a bloody war and after that we built our nation up to be better than it was before only to be have beggars knocking on our door because it was so easy to snatch any thing for nothing so dont u come up with your remarks of racialism to me.
How would I be greeted by Romanians if the role was reversed and I became the beggar, you already have been given the help and you are still here.
Does it mean I am a racist because my Mother couldnt get the health care she needed before she eventually died because all the beds were taken by people from other countries.
How many countries does England help out with charity welfare donations to give just one area of help there are to many of those also to mention, even though my own race is loosing out because we also are now in the sh-ite, but good old England it never fails to provide out side or inside help to other nations.
All this from a little old country like England.
I can and always will give my point of view on these issues were only the truth is being written that doesnt put myself in the area that you are trying to place me in.
Also our crime problem isnt all Engish we have loads of free loaders supplying contraband of all discriptions but the main providers are from over seas nations who stopped of and decided to stay, I wont mention the items because most are aware of what is going on here.
****Sorry about my tone and language to all by the op****
This is a shameful post to read. The White Man's Burden died with Colonialism. Your ignorance is appalling to my senses. Immigrants are hard workers and without transnationals your country would be sunk because i can sure as f**k bet you aint getting off your welfare ass to start cleaning ditches.
You dad fought in the war so f**king what. Almost everyone had someone that fought in that war. What the f**k have you done with your life. Dont tell me what your dad did princess.
You really make me sick dishonoring your mother and father and country spewing such hate.
This s**t gets me soo mad. Its people like you that are so willing to tout the same old line about bulls**t. People are people and Romanians are the same race as you a*****e. The Human Race.
What he said.
Simon6 your viewpoint is f**king tragic.
I think you'll find that at one point in time the United Kingdom of Great Britain colonised and invaded, displaced, enslaved, fought wars, brought disease and any number of other horrors to many many nations...
Simply put your opinion although you are entitled to express it, is shameful.
And what's sadder is that there's plenty of ignorant small minded people who share your view.
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Posted by fathandsslei: as i said before don't want to get into this as we all obviously have different views on it and it could go on some time, but just to respond to sadamman and B1gfoot.
Pointless me answering that then as you're only going to listen to your own subjective opinion.
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bigfoot I have to agree with you on Russia, but it wasnt the Russians who beat the Germans invasion of Russia it was the Russian weather that beat the Germans of which they didnt cater for, they should have started the invasion of Russia a month earlier than they did, other wise the Germans would have taken Russia, because they started to late they were caught up with the Russian winter the cold killed half the German army, the rest were killed with starvation because no one could reach them to restock supplies.
Also when I say England I dont mean the British empire I mean England because England is the Great British Empire, we just dont mind sharing it with the rest of the Uk.
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lmao idiot not worth waste typing over, says it all when you watch a programme and get all angry with them bad people not from here haha yes we have a bright spark here
------------ lol just read the part about the war, let the old man live in his fairyland, he dont seem the type to open his eyes at his age
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Posted by fathandsslei: i fail to see how you can say that there is no correlation to increased unemployment figures and migrants entering our country, of course it will have an effect on it!
First, they come here and creat jobs adding to employment, second, if they come here and work, then it does not boost unemployment, I guess you mean british jobs for british people sort of thing, they took our jobs, no, we harber lots of lazy people who use it as an excuse, most do jobs that we/the lazy refuse to do, our unskilled say i'm not doing that, leaving room for migrants to fill a gap, we let that happen then blaim them! The Migration Advisory Committee currently claim that 160,000 jobs have been lost to non UK workers (over5 years) and concluded that migrants have little or no impact on taking jobs. What I was saying is it our governments fault that there is lack of work, stop scapegoating and using excuses and see what is happening. Our workforce(british born) is around 30 million, even the great arrival of East Europeans in 2004 had little effect on our workforce, also worth noting that there is not a fixed number of jobs in the economy, labour force is one variable among many, They also add to demand and therefore add indirectly to labour requirement. If there is no work they will not come, in genral that is, ofcause we have a stupid system that accmoadates scroungers, but again, thats mainly us, FWIW I got you other point. I am self-employed in the building game, heres how it goes, you take on a UK lad, he moans all day, wants more money, longer breaks, does a half ass job with no intention of learning, migrant apprechiate the oppertunity, try impressing and want to learn more. So who is to blaim? As an employer who would you take on? Now do you want to talk aout why there really is a lack of jobs ATM? BTW, I'm not getting at you, just trying to explain as too many people in the UK don't understand and chat s**t in pubs.
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i have read this post and although many people from outside of our country doesnt see simons point of view, i for 1 do. the people from within the UK who criticise him is obviously not originally from the UK.
immigrants is what is dragging our country down. FACT - an OAP who has paid taxes all their lives are only entitled to a pension worth £9,000 whereas an illegal immigrant/asylum seeker who has just eneterd the country is entitled to £22,500 a year. So do the maths its not hard to see who is worse off. A lot of crime in our country is also due to minority groups who are not originally Britsh(not saying none of our own dont commit crime cos that would just be b******t) look at London, Birmingham, Bradford,etc ethnis minorities try to police their own areas, forced marriages, sharia law. they forget this is Britain.
I'm not racist as i have romanian,polish, hungarian friends and my partner is half greek, but facts are facts and the statistics are all there for all to see.!
its just a fact of the nation we are in, but this definitely should have been in a different topic!
------------ i disagree with you here simon!! england is not the great british empire sharing with the rest. i'm from Northern Ireland and you will find if you look through the history books, that the greatest war of our 20th century WW1 at the battle of the Somme our 36th ulster division was the only battalion to break through the German denfenses.the French were beat back and the english were beat back.The 36th div. held their line for as long as possible but had to retreat due to no support or supplies.
Great britain isn't just England it is made up of 4 countries who are all equally as important as each other!! u really do need to get off your high horse a bit!
Our laws make it really easy for any criminal to succeed in this country!
but really it is a poker forum on here somewhere!!
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Posted by grahamy27: the people from within the UK who criticise him is obviously not originally from the UK.
If that's directed at me, I'm from Liverpool, was born here, have lived here all my life, I'm Caucasian and my surname is English, so I'm afraid you're wrong.
------------ You're wrong about asylum seekers they get a bedsit and £50 a week for a whole family, and they aren't legally allowed to work.
