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negative site what for negative site. y can not drive a car ok because y head is . but more hum never heard any. My wife is nurse and she dont treat a weed victime. its a attidude to thinks like thats its easy to say its gateway drug or not if we dont know any about this. dont be hate
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Gateway drug my anus. Weed doesn't lower your inhibitions, you're fully aware, conscious, and capable of rational cognition. Alcohol on the other hand does lower your inhibitions, so in short, unless you're a person prone to peer pressure alcohol is more likely the gateway drug.
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RE: Gateway drug:
Firstly - I don't think smoking a bit of weed is a bad thing and I definitely think alcohol is a far more damaging drug; socially and personally.
However - in saying that - I DO think pot IS a gateway drug. I've a lot of experience in the culture, I started smoking pot when I was quite young and I was selling it by the time I was 15, by the time I was 18-19 I was an IV drug user and up until I was about 24-25 I was very frequently injecting heroin, meth, speed, etc. So I know what I am talking about.
I think it's a gateway drug because:
* It allows people to find other drugs acceptable. People who ONLY drink tend to be hypocrites - they think their socially acceptable alcohol habit is somehow more justified than someone elses illicit drug use. Pot smokers on the other hand are more likely to start being more accepting of other peoples misc drug use and essentially, in a pot smokers mind - even if they never want to take other drugs, taking other drugs no longer seems like such a terrible thing - it becomes acceptable.
* It opens up the doors - the gate so to speak - in a very practical fashion. Unless you grow your own pot, you're likely to meet drug dealers and other such people with access to drugs other than pot. You will also probably start hanging out with other pot smokers and inevitably come across people who take substances other than pot as well. Ultimately - compared to a drinker - you're far more likely to gain practical access/sources for drugs other than pot.
* Most hard drug users I know started off smoking pot, some of them still smoke, some don't - but almost all of them were pot smokers at some stage before they took other drugs.
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I'm not saying that smoking pot means you're going to start taking other drugs; for sure I know plenty of pot smokers who've never taken anything else and probably never will.
But I find it very hard to argue that smoking pot isn't a gateway - It quite simply opens the doors to the culture.. You meet other people who're into drugs, you learn that all the anti-drug propaganda isn't always true - you simply gain access to a world that maybe you wouldn't have if you never took pot.
I think another gateway into hard drug use is the night-club scene.. About the only hard-drug users I know that didn't start with pot - started with going out to techno-clubs etc and being introduced to speed and pills. But that's my point - anything that gives you access to a scene/culture that is populated by drug users, is a gateway.
And lastly - I just want to reaffirm - I have nothing against pot or pot smokers.. I think like anything - if moderation is applied - it's a relatively harmless, fun even, activity. Likewise, if you smoke to much - it can be harmful and have a negative life impact.
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I do agree in a sense jess, but all of the above is mainly because of the social stigma attached to weed. Some people are extreme as to think if they get nicked with weed their reputation is tarnished and they'll go to prison. When in reality you get it took off you, and a slap on the wrist. It's all manufactured by propaganda in news, which in turn brainwashes the general (retarded and drunk) populous. I truly believe it would be different if it was legal.
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I disagree completely jess. I have had more than my fair share of addictions to various drugs and i have been ball deep in almost every processs of the illegal drug sales so I think i have some very valid point on this (not that anyone elses are not).
You say its a gateway drug but the only reason it is a gateway drug is because its illegal and often the people that buy it get it from people that often sell other things too. I have known lots and lots of people that smoke weed and are dead against taking drugs.
Because its illegal it has the cool kid factor too which is a big problem with alot of drugs but if it was separated it would not have the added problem of being included in such things. You might as well throw in just your average smokes into being a gateway drug to because you smoking something no matter the effects and thats alot more addictive that weed.
Alot of people dont smoke weed but are full on heroin addicts but they just dont like smoking. People get into drugs for alsorts of reasons as you know im sure, some can being trying to escape some do it because everyone else is doing some just love to try new experiences and a long list of other reasons and yes a very good amount of them prob did start off with smoking weed as a fair amount of them prob tried cigarettes before that. My point is do you think most of them people would have never took harder drugs if they did not have the options of weed to start the ball rolling? I find this almost delusional thing to say (no offence ) and far to easy of a thing to say for people that are looking for a easy scapegoat for the real problems behind drug abuse and society in general.
The fact is its never killed no one and helps many, yes you get some people that you could make a case for this but i bet if you looked into things deeper you will find better reasons behind the problems.
I will also say the most stable times in my life is when i have just smoked weed and not bothered to much with drugs and drink and also includes not taking anything including drink. Yes ive missed the odd appointments because i was stoned and could not be fucked but ive also did the same thing while watching something good on TV.
I best say to before i get the all the just say no brigade and prohibition of drugs nonsense well just remember being on that side of the fence does nothing but cause murders all round the world and fund the people you have such hate for. Not to mention all the people who die from drugs cut with alsorts of s**t because there is no regulation and giving them the power to do whatever they can get away with to make more money. I find it funny how the same people will laugh if someone says about prohibition of drink in america in the 20s then Leap to the other side of the fence when it concerns something that they dont do themselfs As long as you dont hurt no one else wtf has it got to do with you!
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I like your philosophy flippedchips using foresight and hindsight to come to a balanced personal conclusion. But I also accept the fact that weed as a gateway drug is paradoxical. Like many things in life it is but it Isn't. Depends on what cards your dealt in what position, and what's your opening range, are you loose, tight, aggressive, passive. sorry getting a bit poetic i feel creative today.
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I don't disagree at all with what you're saying flipped - you're quite right. But I just think weed is a gateway in a very practical sense - by literally exposing you to opportunity.
Maybe it's different - but from personal experience and the culture when I was in high school, being part of "bong circles" certainly lead to availability of other substances. This is simply a first hand observation. I don't know how it is on a bigger scale - but in my personal experience, it is observable fact.
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Posted by Flippedchips: You say its a gateway drug but the only reason it is a gateway drug is because its illegal and often the people that buy it get it from people that often sell other things too.
This is pretty much all I was trying to say. I'm not making a point about the social-economic reasons for it or anything else. Just simply that the situation as it is - weed being illegal in most countries means that by being a weed smoker, you're essentially forced into a criminal element of society. I don't agree with it at all - I think weed is a pretty safe drug, beyond the lung damage of smoking in general.
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right i get you np, I must say when i did post that you had posted definitely and i had just done a epic lenth of post for me just thought oh well took me ages so its out there now sorry
i see it the same way it just annoys the life out me that people say the gateway thing when its only a gateway because of it being illegal could go round in circles all day with that thinking
It just annoys me that people are quick to blame the outcome of problems more that addressing the problem itself and in doing so perpetrate the problem.
That´s what i love about this miraculous plant, someone asks a little question and the stone beginns to roll
So I wanna use this opportunity to thank my beloved Mary for many wonderfull years !
sadly i don´t think that we´ll ever see the day It´s legelized since the pharma industry can´t get a patent on a plant and there´s so many other bastards who profit from its prohibition
Also a big for jess and flipped for getting away from the real bad stuff congrats on accomplishing that hope the rest of you´r lives will be filled with sunshine
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Posted by jessthehuman: RE: Gateway drug:
Firstly - I don't think smoking a bit of weed is a bad thing and I definitely think alcohol is a far more damaging drug; socially and personally.
However - in saying that - I DO think pot IS a gateway drug. I've a lot of experience in the culture, I started smoking pot when I was quite young and I was selling it by the time I was 15, by the time I was 18-19 I was an IV drug user and up until I was about 24-25 I was very frequently injecting heroin, meth, speed, etc. So I know what I am talking about.
I think it's a gateway drug because:
* It allows people to find other drugs acceptable. People who ONLY drink tend to be hypocrites - they think their socially acceptable alcohol habit is somehow more justified than someone elses illicit drug use. Pot smokers on the other hand are more likely to start being more accepting of other peoples misc drug use and essentially, in a pot smokers mind - even if they never want to take other drugs, taking other drugs no longer seems like such a terrible thing - it becomes acceptable.
* It opens up the doors - the gate so to speak - in a very practical fashion. Unless you grow your own pot, you're likely to meet drug dealers and other such people with access to drugs other than pot. You will also probably start hanging out with other pot smokers and inevitably come across people who take substances other than pot as well. Ultimately - compared to a drinker - you're far more likely to gain practical access/sources for drugs other than pot.
* Most hard drug users I know started off smoking pot, some of them still smoke, some don't - but almost all of them were pot smokers at some stage before they took other drugs.
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I'm not saying that smoking pot means you're going to start taking other drugs; for sure I know plenty of pot smokers who've never taken anything else and probably never will.
But I find it very hard to argue that smoking pot isn't a gateway - It quite simply opens the doors to the culture.. You meet other people who're into drugs, you learn that all the anti-drug propaganda isn't always true - you simply gain access to a world that maybe you wouldn't have if you never took pot.
I think another gateway into hard drug use is the night-club scene.. About the only hard-drug users I know that didn't start with pot - started with going out to techno-clubs etc and being introduced to speed and pills. But that's my point - anything that gives you access to a scene/culture that is populated by drug users, is a gateway.
And lastly - I just want to reaffirm - I have nothing against pot or pot smokers.. I think like anything - if moderation is applied - it's a relatively harmless, fun even, activity. Likewise, if you smoke to much - it can be harmful and have a negative life impact.
I already said that also.It opens doors for some people to other drugs but the effects of it dont make you want to take harddrugs
I see your story and i am not proud to tell you that i started smoking pot when i was 14 and still do sometimes.
Also i have taken almost all well known drugs EXept heroin and i am glad i didnt (i think) I havent taken anything hard for more then 5 years and i feel much better
So you see Jess ...opponents in discussion can also have things in common
The effects of marihuana wont make you want to take harddrugs but there was a time i would take anything what came my way because of the people who where serounding me. I was selling stuff,using stuff,steeling stuff and then sometimes looking at a wall 24/7 locked up So if you want to use it do it for yourself to relax not because everyone does it
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Posted by remco2504: It opens doors for some people to other drugs but the effects of it dont make you want to take harddrugs
on the contrary, tolerance develops due to regular heavy usage and person wont get same high from pot. so in order to get same level of high, some people do look for other drugs.
though gateway theory is controversial especially in case of cannabis and studies have shown mixed results.
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Posted by SuperNoob:
Posted by remco2504: It opens doors for some people to other drugs but the effects of it dont make you want to take harddrugs
on the contrary, tolerance develops due to regular heavy usage and person wont get same high from pot. so in order to get same level of high, some people do look for other drugs.
though gateway theory is controversial especially in case of cannabis and studies have shown mixed results.
Well what i make up out of this comment is that u never used several drugs (good thing) Because weed is not a drugs u need more of you will always get stoned of a joint no matter if you used it for years.if you never used it it will give a stronger high but even after years of using u still get high from a few puffs of a good joint
And btw if you like the high of a joint nothing like amfetamine,xtc,coke will give you that its TOTALLY different believe me...
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Posted by remco2504: Well what i make up out of this comment is that u never used several drugs (good thing) Because weed is not a drugs u need more of you will always get stoned of a joint no matter if you used it for years.if you never used it it will give a stronger high but even after years of using u still get high from a few puffs of a good joint
And btw if you like the high of a joint nothing like amfetamine,xtc,coke will give you that its TOTALLY different believe me...
yes i dont use drugs but i worked for few months in de-addiction center and i know more about drugs than your personal experiences
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Cool, turned in to a informative post. First, smoking pot is TBH a bit boring and unhealthy, much better to do the likes of space cake, get your $ worth with less health risk. Of cause its a gateway, most people use pot for one thing, to get high, fell the warmth, the confusion, that space cadet glow. Well, I got some news for you sunshine, you are the type of person who wants a buzz, and you tried pot, so why not try a bit of "X", and when you do you will more than likely enjoy it, and will hang around others who do, drugs are fun, that's why they are made and done, for fun...or the ugly side addiction, only takes one person to introduce a new high on a drunken night. Now days, most people, here anyway, don't get stoned at the weekends, its an everyday thing, very little buzz in it, so after being stoned all week, they want a weekend sniff or tab. Kids nowdays dont even do drugs right. Its all about coke pills and pot, s**t chopped coke, random luck pills and contaminated resin(do not put it in a cake, chuck it in a bin) or green with unknown active ingredants, are you going to giggle or chill...who knows all you know is its green, get some LSD for the love of god, get a proper buzz, its truly the only fun drug out there. If you are going to do it, drugs of any type, get clued up first, and don't try all these new online legal s**t, better seeing a local dealer. Or better yet, just don't do any at all, what harm can that do!! Best end on an acid face -
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So funny how people who never used any drugs think they know something about it
Just wanne talk some fancy s**t about any subject
I know so many people who do weed but never think about doing harder stuff Lots more then i know people who do the harder s**t Dont wanne know them anyways....
So you experts can talk all you want...you dont know jack sjeit
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Posted by SuperNoob:
Posted by remco2504: Well what i make up out of this comment is that u never used several drugs (good thing) Because weed is not a drugs u need more of you will always get stoned of a joint no matter if you used it for years.if you never used it it will give a stronger high but even after years of using u still get high from a few puffs of a good joint
And btw if you like the high of a joint nothing like amfetamine,xtc,coke will give you that its TOTALLY different believe me...
yes i dont use drugs but i worked for few months in de-addiction center and i know more about drugs than your personal experiences
This is a stupid thing to say noob no offence but it really is, people who have not had a true addiction cant begin to comprehend what it is like to come off drugs and then stay off them.
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Posted by Flippedchips: This is a stupid thing to say noob no offence but it really is, people who have not had a true addiction cant begin to comprehend what it is like to come off drugs and then stay off them.
i think u misunderstood my post yes u r right its hard to understand for me psychosocial aspects of getting off drugs and staying off them but i was talking about effects of drugs on the body and the mechanisms behind it which remco is just generalising based on his experiences.
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Posted by pothead2012: That's what i love about this miraculous plant, someone asks a little question and the stone beginns to roll
So I wanna use this opportunity to thank my beloved Mary for many wonderfull years !
sadly i don't think that we'll ever see the day It's legelized since the pharma industry can't get a patent on a plant and there's so many other bastards who profit from its prohibition
Also a big for jess and flipped for getting away from the real bad stuff congrats on accomplishing that hope the rest of you'r lives will be filled with sunshine
WHO Has the Hemp patent (but there's not much clear info on this) Queen Elisabeth(Queen of England) The Royal Crown, , that's what i heard years ago, if info/knowledge is correct?
A side off topic, form Ford’s first Model-T. This is No Shirt (I have Newspaper doc's, and look up etc)
My great Grandma(mother's side) was the Inventor of the Vehicle indicator, (Old Morris miners with flip up indicators(on the side's upper roof) Ii have seen, when really young ) , She had the patent, but she didn't have enough money 500 pounds( at time ) to pay for it her ongoing right (as after 5 year's if person don't manufacture/produce product , other company/individual can buy patent (old laws)) to produce,
Ford (company) Bought patent/right to do,
BEEP i wish i had time machine i would gone back in time and payed for it, as id be rich lol example; $1 for every vehicle indicator in world ! But im with out the money PS 'The Royal Crown' have patents ? Is that why charlie looks stoned sometimes, and his son (Harry) got trouble once for it lol (i have a lot respect for princes Charles, Prince of Wales after seeing him in few interviews, as he is down to earth as a princes could be! with all though's snobs around)
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but more hum never heard any. My wife is nurse and she dont treat a weed victime. its a attidude to thinks like thats its easy to say its gateway drug or not if we dont know any about this. dont be hate
) and far to easy of a thing to say for people that are looking for a easy scapegoat for the real problems behind drug abuse and society in general.
sorry getting a bit poetic i feel creative today. 
with out the money
