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Opponent: limping almost every button, sometimes Cbet, rarely re raises, generally passive. Not doing anything strange but its still early stage of match.
PokerStars Hand #80249167732: Tournament #559015717, $14.29+$0.71 USD Hold'em No Limit - Match Round I, Level II (15/30) - 2012/05/11 2:22:06 CET [2012/05/10 20:22:06 ET] Table '559015717 1' 2-max Seat #1 is the button Seat 1: acivoj pfc (1933 in chips) Seat 2: HHCE (1067 in chips) acivoj pfc: posts small blind 15 HHCE: posts big blind 30 *** HOLE CARDS *** Dealt to acivoj pfc [5c 9d] acivoj pfc: calls 15 HHCE: checks *** FLOP *** [7d 9c 6s] HHCE: checks acivoj pfc: bets 45 HHCE: raises 45 to 90 acivoj pfc: calls 45 *** TURN *** [7d 9c 6s] HHCE: checks acivoj pfc: bets 136 HHCE: raises 136 to 272 acivoj pfc: calls 136 *** RIVER *** [7d 9c 6s 9s] HHCE: bets 675 and is all-in
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I call - IMO there is too much in the pot to fold, you don't have to be good that often for it to be a good call. You can win less than half the time and it's still the right call.
------------ pot is 754 + 675 (1429) so you're calling 675 to win 1429. Easy call and if you lose your still in the game with 933 chips.
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Seems like a very odd hand to me. Admittedly I don't play heads up very often but to me that flop is too good to be bet-calling. It's the kind of hand where you don't know what you want to hit because the 8 could be an action killer, a sick cold turn or your only out.
What I find really odd is the check-bet-minraise-call pattern on the flop and turn. I don't know how either of you can justify that. I may be very wrong but I think you want to find out more information on the flop and I'd be jamming the turn to stop those draws even if it turns out to be a cooler.
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Posted by awood88: I'd be jamming the turn to stop those draws even if it turns out to be a cooler.
FWIW I would also jam the turn when he min-raised me again - it's pretty well a commitment decision by calling his raise anyway (by calling you're saying your going to call the river bet - you should be any way). So you might as well include some fold equity in case he is on a draw or some other crap. Jam turn is definitely best.
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Posted by jovicakralj: Opponent: limping almost every button, sometimes Cbet, rarely re raises, generally passive. Not doing anything strange but its still early stage of match.
PokerStars Hand #80249167732: Tournament #559015717, $14.29+$0.71 USD Hold'em No Limit - Match Round I, Level II (15/30) - 2012/05/11 2:22:06 CET [2012/05/10 20:22:06 ET] Table '559015717 1' 2-max Seat #1 is the button Seat 1: acivoj pfc (1933 in chips) Seat 2: HHCE (1067 in chips) acivoj pfc: posts small blind 15 HHCE: posts big blind 30 *** HOLE CARDS *** Dealt to acivoj pfc [5c 9d] acivoj pfc: calls 15 HHCE: checks *** FLOP *** [7d 9c 6s] HHCE: checks acivoj pfc: bets 45 HHCE: raises 45 to 90 acivoj pfc: calls 45 *** TURN *** [7d 9c 6s] HHCE: checks acivoj pfc: bets 136 HHCE: raises 136 to 272 acivoj pfc: calls 136 *** RIVER *** [7d 9c 6s 9s] HHCE: bets 675 and is all-in
I thought honestly about what I would've done: I probably would've folded at the end there too. Because there were no raises preflop he could have anything, 8T included. And so I would've been weary of the straight right away. I would've seen his min re-raises as an attempt to get more money into his caught straight, looks like a value bet, trying not to scare you off.
Although, After reading Jess's analysis, I admit, I likely would've made the wrong move.
Now the suspense is killing me, what did you do Jovi?
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Looks like he likes his hand very much. When such a passive player reraises on two streets and moves in on the river he most likely has a monster. So i would not be surprised if he had flopped a straight or made a full house.
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Posted by shokaku: Looks like he likes his hand very much. When such a passive player reraises on two streets and moves in on the river he most likely has a monster. So i would not be surprised if he had flopped a straight or made a full house.
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Posted by shokaku: Looks like he likes his hand very much. When such a passive player reraises on two streets and moves in on the river he most likely has a monster. So i would not be surprised if he had flopped a straight or made a full house.
I agree with shokaku, since your description he look tight and save player, he hit something on flop. At least he had 9, too. Hard to fold with your hand, but I think - fold- is right act at this case. If he just had over pair, is possible raise when the turn show 9 ?
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Easy call. Only 2 hands have you beat, 9 with an over, or 45. Even if they have an over, you're not far behind, and you still could catch the gutshot so you've got a tonne outs. Plus you're getting like 4-1 to call.
I'd snap call and just throw something if he showed up with something ridiculous like A9.
I bet anything HCE had an overpair and caught the river.
*Edit* Didn't realise this was HU. Snap-call all day long. Seems like you're pretty aggressive, raising 95o
I would call. I think, judging from your stacks, he feels he's being outplayed, and needs to switch it up. I doubt that that he's intentionally playing tight waiting for a monster, but he might have gotten lucky here.
On the other hand, it seems like there's no rush to finish it off here, the blinds are still small, and you're outplaying him. If he's really that tight, he doesn't stand a chance HU against you, I feel.
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I would call, trip 9s should be good most of the time. It is the early stages yet you already have won a third of his stack, so frustration might be setting in for him. Or he has monsters and was trying to trap you.
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Posted by teddybears73: nobody think he could have 7-7 ?.i know it smells like 8-10 but he could be playing jovi.
Also true. The real question is: If he was holding 77 would Jovi post the hand history here?Call me a conspiracy theorist if u want but this Has to be a beat lol
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Posted by lukasb:
Posted by teddybears73: nobody think he could have 7-7 ?.i know it smells like 8-10 but he could be playing jovi.
The real question is: If he was holding 77 would Jovi post the hand history here? Call me a conspiracy theorist if u want but this Has to be a beat lol
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Posted by teddybears73:
Posted by lukasb:
Posted by teddybears73: nobody think he could have 7-7 ?.i know it smells like 8-10 but he could be playing jovi.
The real question is: If he was holding 77 would Jovi post the hand history here? Call me a conspiracy theorist if u want but this Has to be a beat lol
aye your right so maybe pocket 3s,eh
Pocket 3s, 93 who knows... I'm just betting it wont end good
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This is one of those hands where we are forced to make a move that goes against our first thought of the hand when we looked at it pre-flop. Most of times, if we decide to go see how much it can pay not having nuts with it after flop, the result will be disastrous (this is only my experience at the tables talking, don’t have no info/numbers regarding this type of situation). Taking in consideration the profile you traced of your opponent, I would put him on overpair, A9, 85, 810 or A7. This A7 will be the less probable: if he almost never re-raised (although it’s beginning of the tourney) and he’s raising since the beginning he must believe he is ahead of you. Seeing him checking on the turn makes me put him on the overpair. The 9 killed him, but since your bet was low, he re-raised to scare you, although you gave the call. In my opinion, that is why he went all-in at the turn, because he don’t want to believe you have the 9 and is betting everything on his overpair. “Call!!!”
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I think it's pretty clear he thinks he has a hand so you can assume you are behind.
But to everyone who says fold I think it's more important to ask 'when?'.
You can't justify calling on the turn and folding on the river. Not only as Jess said do you have 2:1 but as you are the bigger stack you also have the chance to win the round.
I think calling on the turn is the wrong move. It's either push or fold since there is no card that can hit that doesn't look bad and when your hand doesn't improve you will likely have to call more chips anyway. The river doesn't change anything so why fold now.
And if you don't like that flop with a pair and a gutshot then don't bet-call the flop and turn. If you want to be safe just fold the flop or at least raise to see where you are. Better yet don't play the hand if you think whenever you are hit a pair you're behind.
