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Table #45468184 - Tournament #26049188 Table #33 Starting Hand #2106265694 Start time of hand: 15 Jun 2012 19:48:20 Last Hand #2106265128 Game Type: HOLD'EM Limit Type: NO LIMIT Table Type: TOURNAMENT Money Type: TOURNAMENT CHIPS Blinds are now 50 / 100 Button is at seat 3 Seat 1: Aitchi - 4,095 Seat 2: AnalyzerX7 - 7,050 Seat 3: Claudiohosp - 4,834 Seat 4: yannickvr - 4,890 Seat 5: kellydiane - 5,100 Seat 6: rotie - 4,600 Shuffling Deck Moving Button to seat 4 kellydiane posts small blind (50) rotie posts big blind (100) Dealing Cards Dealing [Q c][J c] to yannickvr Aitchi calls 100 AnalyzerX7 calls 100 Claudiohosp folds yannickvr raises to 400 kellydiane folds rotie folds Aitchi calls 400 AnalyzerX7 calls 400 Pot sizes: 1,350 Dealing Flop [T c][K c][Q s] Aitchi checks AnalyzerX7 bets 6,650 (all-in) yannickvr calls 4,490 (all-in) Aitchi calls 3,695 (all-in) Returning 2,160 to AnalyzerX7 uncalled Pot sizes: 12,435 Pot sizes: 1,590 Aitchi shows [A c][9 d] AnalyzerX7 shows [T s][K d] yannickvr shows [Q c][J c] Dealing Turn [A h] Pot sizes: 12,435 Pot sizes: 1,590 Dealing River [Q h] Pot sizes: 12,435 Pot sizes: 1,590 AnalyzerX7 has Two Pairs: Kings, Queens yannickvr has Straight, Ace high yannickvr wins 1,590 from side pot #1 with: Straight, Ace high yannickvr wins 12,435 with: Straight, Ace high AnalyzerX7: typical fckin donkeys Seat 1: Aitchi - 0 Seat 2: AnalyzerX7 - 2,160 Seat 3: Claudiohosp - 4,834 Seat 4: yannickvr - 14,025 Seat 5: kellydiane - 5,050 Seat 6: rotie - 4,500 End of Hand #2106265694
rotie: karrma you say AnalyzerX7: flop 2 pair and lose AnalyzerX7: its PKR
AnalyzerX7: i played it the best way i could yannickvr: like I'm gonna fold that hand on the flop don't be stupid to insta shove AnalyzerX7: shoved and donkey still called so rotie: i lost that way yesterday, easy AnalyzerX7: right child AnalyzerX7: you had a draw AnalyzerX7: i had a made hand AnalyzerX7: lets keep doing that rotie: what? AnalyzerX7: so i can win my chips yannickvr: no you didn't yannickvr: learn to play AnalyzerX7: I had 2 pair you fckin moron AnalyzerX7: are you half an idiot?: rotie: yesterday lol AnalyzerX7: you had a flush and straight draw AnalyzerX7: keep my chips warm yannickvr: if oyu made a normal bet you would have had the chance to fold on the turn AnalyzerX7: right it was MY ERROR AnalyzerX7: not your luck yannickvr: idd it was AnalyzerX7: nice poker child AnalyzerX7 calls 100 rotie: i don't know what are you talking about yannickvr: calculate my outs moron AnalyzerX7: I flop 2 pair and i have to slow down AnalyzerX7: incase you suck out rotie: it sounds like you're mad AnalyzerX7: learn to play idiot AnalyzerX7: i know you had a monster draw AnalyzerX7: still a draw yannickvr: two pair on that board wasn't even the nuts AnalyzerX7: stfu ignore list on AnalyzerX7: I already put him on ignore yannickvr: so angry because you're playing with your last 2 bucks? Claudiohosp: dam you too AnalyzerX7: he cant add 1+1 = 2 kellydiane: oh behave yerself Claudiohosp: two kellydiane calls 100 AnalyzerX7: in his head he thought he flopped the nuts lol AnalyzerX7: so cute rotie: i thought people like poker AnalyzerX7: OMG LOOK GAIZ I HAVE SO MANY OUTS!! AnalyzerX7: ALL IN!!! AnalyzerX7: lol luckbox yannickvr: people like you are funny AnalyzerX7: i did calculate your odds AnalyzerX7: 32% yannickvr: no one is ever gonna fold that on a scared shove AnalyzerX7: vs 68% AnalyzerX7: i cant read what you say but remember ill be there next time AnalyzerX7: to hit the 68%
In my opinion there is no way I could have folded this kind of draw, and his play was just moronic and scared.
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Well, you can fold, but you can also flip, just got to ask yourself one question, do you feel lucky, AnalyzerX7 calcs are wrong. Personally, when in a tourn I don't like flipping too early as normally the stack sizes are not worth the risk IMO, and feel an agro player will hang himself in situations like this were I hold better dominating cards, much prefer to have a made hand. The chat is more exciting IMO.
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I got to wrapped up in the chatting to follow the hand, but I'm going to read through it one more time to see what I would have done in that scenario. Actually he played as normal as could be expected. Yeah, player chased the straight, but he had open end. not something I'd do, but it happens all the time. I've lost to worse hands!
------------ I got to wrapped up in the chatting to follow the hand, but I'm going to read through it one more time to see what I would have done in that scenario. Actually he played as normal as could be expected. Yeah, player chased the straight, but he had open end. not something I'd do, but it happens all the time. I've lost to worse hands!
I think i would have folded there cause you have to risk your tournament with a hand you are normally behind on the flop ok you have outs but really risk your tournament on flush and str8 draw??? Ok you can make the call but i would have folded
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I love how villain open limps and then calls a raise with K10o and calls YOU a donk.
Ran it through an equity calculator. Originally I thought this was a heads up pot, and just off the top of my head figured you were MILES ahead, but then I saw it was 3-way. Still turns out you were ahead, but the 3rd player somewhat skews the results:
Holdem Hi: 100,000 sampled boards containing Q K T Player 1 (Q J): win 48.60% lose 50.37% tie 1.04% EV 0.489 Player 2 (T K): win 40.33% lose 58.63% tie 1.04% EV 0.407 Player 3 (A 9): win 10.03% lose 88.93% tie 1.04% EV 0.104
So yes, you're play was 100% correct. His overbet MAY have killed your pot odds, but since you're ahead when the chips get in, it's irrelevant. You were the favorite to win, and you played the hand just fine. He's the one that played badly by open-limping, then calling a raise OOP and then donk-shoving on the flop. I LOVE morons like that, I just laugh and mock them in chat
For shits and giggles I ran it as if it was 2-handed, and here's what I got:
Holdem Hi: 100,000 sampled boards containing Q K T Player 1 (Q J): win 54.51% lose 43.63% tie 1.85% EV 0.554 Player 2 (T K): win 43.63% lose 54.51% tie 1.85% EV 0.446
So heads up you're ahead by even more. Definitely a good call.
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Hi guys!
Limp/call KT... what a player. an thousands like that are playing in the sites. Sick. No matters if the tournament is for chips we can see them playing like that in $$ tournaments. More sick.
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Posted by Chartoule: Hi guys!
Limp/call KT... what a player. an thousands like that are playing in the sites. Sick. No matters if the tournament is for chips we can see them playing like that in $$ tournaments. More sick.
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Of course all in on flop is correct. You had 15 outs ,lol. 9 card clubs, 3 Aces and 3 nine ( exclude clubs- close card). I don't like use percentage ( not remember,lol ). That's good hand to play draw. But don't forget, in bad luck day you possible lost it many time ( maybe always ).
Do you do the same in bubble situation? mobster? I will not, except I have strong feeling !!!
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Just limp behind preflop,or if anything raise bigger than 4x. By 4x'ing after 2 limpers all you do is increasing the pot by risking more chips,because they will almost certainly both call,with the level of play of the opposition in these tourneys you will get enough value from a small pot (preflop) pot as well,so there is no need to make it bigger like this About the flop play everything's been said by now,easy call
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Maybe I am a nit, but I wouldn't get involved with this hand in this situation with already two limpers before me. After the flop it is a no brainer call.
And nice play from the KT guy. Keep on wasting your chips buddy.
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Posted by shokaku: Maybe I am a nit, but I wouldn't get involved with this hand in this situation with already two limpers before me. After the flop it is a no brainer call.
And nice play from the KT guy. Keep on wasting your chips buddy.
Yeah folding pre is way,way too nitty here,even if we can afford folding loads of hands with our stack & it still being pre ante this is a very +EV spot,playing QJs multiway vs. weak opponents,so definitely not folding here ever in this specific spot
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Posted by ayaraled: Good call. With 3 in the pot.Pot was big and you got a very strong draw...love the chat though.very nice. .did anaylyzer get his chip back?
nah he lost it with pocket 55 against A7 suited against someone else
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If you have a straight & a flushdraw you almost have the nuts. in a cash game yoçu have to call In a tournament you risk to be eliminatedbut with such a hand it's hard to fold. If you win you become a big stack
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Posted by shokaku: Maybe I am a nit, but I wouldn't get involved with this hand in this situation with already two limpers before me. After the flop it is a no brainer call.
Nothing wrong with a nit, full ring i can fold this one early stage, this is 6max, but i think i prefer to limp this so early stage.
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Early on and with the odds you had, with the cards you had the all in for the draw looks like a real coinflip, but it also depends on what you knew about the other players. It would also depend on what your entry fee had been to some other extent.
I do love the way people get pi**ed when they lose a hand they had no rifght playing and even less right playing it the way your opponent did, and start trying to rip into you. HAve the last laugh and take more from him,later after ignoring him!
