Joined: Apr '08
Location: France
Age: 46 (M)
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i woul like to have some people experience of that hand ! UTG on a 10 table players ! AK diamonds 2 times ! how play ?? i time i bet 6 BB because i had a big stak ! but a allin from the short stak came ! i call he had 66 and i loose the hand ! next round i decide just call. 4 call me , sb , bb , and one other ! flop come KK2 ! so it's nice for me ! sb and bb chek ! i just chek to catch somebody ! héhé the other player bet 360 sb fold and bb fold ! i just call after a time of reflexion ! 7 on turn and 4 differents color so not flush can come ! i chek ! he bet allin ! what i have to do ??? fold ?? sure not i play my hand as i wanted ! nice i will catch him so nice !!! i see is hand K8 good for me river come ................. an 8 i am out ! so first thing ipoker suk too much good hand UTG loose 9times/10.
Joined: Feb '08
Location: Belgium
Age: 40 (M)
Posts: 58
sorry dude i know the feeling but you have to consider that he stil got 12% to win or draw the hand, wich means that if you play that hand a 1000 times youlle still loose or draw 120 of them!!! so thats poker
Joined: Jan '08
Location: Croatia
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Posted by this0is0me: sorry dude i know the feeling but you have to consider that he stil got 12% to win or draw the hand, wich means that if you play that hand a 1000 times youlle still loose or draw 120 of them!!! so thats poker
And that is not fixed. You could easily lose all 1000.
It is hard to say how to play any hand because it is too much affected by the people playing at the table and their stacks so there is no right way to play but what you think at that moment at that particular table. I am talking about cash tables not tourneys here.
What I would do if it is a NL game is raise 2 or 3x BB just to let others know that i have a hand and to scare away SB and BB. That was lucky river in 2nd hand and it is poker, nothing you can do about it. First hand is bingo play by that 66 guy.
If this was PL game then i would probably just call and if someone pull that raise with pair or something you can get to see flop cheaply.
UTG is very difficult to play if youre playing by the cards only and if you dont know how others are playing.
Joined: Feb '08
Location: Belgium
Age: 40 (M)
Posts: 58
yes i know you could easly loose 1000 times is all aboy the big numbers its like AA is 85% to win against any random hand that means if you play the hand a 1000000 times you should win 850000 of them and youlle loose 150000 of them that means you could easly loose 1000 in a row the sample size is so big
just raise and raise your AK it's very good hand and very often you will win with them against donkeys who had trash like KQ J10 or whatever and they just cold call your raise sometimes AK lose and what? play it agressive and that's all
Joined: Mar '08
Location: United Kingdom
Age: 44 (M)
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is it a tourn or ring, looks like you were unlucky (a bit) why not make value bets, granted you still would have lost but maby lose less, also if it was a tourn its a good idea not to get to involved with short stacks when you are big, chances are that it will end up all in. better luck next time
Joined: Oct '07
Location: Denmark
Age: 49 (M)
Posts: 109
Think you have the idea correct - to be aggressive with those hands. but remember that in almost all cases you need help from the table to win the pot if someone calls you. And you can not prevent call stations or loose players to catch something - they also get lucky sometime.
Joined: Mar '08
Location: Latvia
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I dont think KQ is a bad hand if you play it corectly.... Not always you should play only pockets higher JJ or AK. Only donkey plays these hands only... Have played on a tables where 70% winning hands were 76 9J etc. And such a players who raised and raised with their AK were loosing everything. And by the way there is such a thing like bluff... Do You remember what it looks like??!!
Joined: Jan '08
Location: Portugal
Age: 35 (M)
Posts: 35
I usually try to raise the enough to be called but sometimes pushing really hard is good. It always depend. In a very loose table, raising like 2x or 3x maybe can't be enough.
Joined: May '08
Location: Germany
Age: 59 (M)
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You should consider folding AQo UTG in a fullring game if the players are not very passive. This is not the spot and the hand you want to face a reraise with.
AQs and AK just raise your normal raise. If you got reraised it depends on the opponent. Calling is not good, because we are oop and without the initiative. So it is raise or fold time.
Depends totally on the players and the limit of the table. If you are under the gun with AK or AQ i would just call because you don't know what the other players are calling with could be a small pocket pair or medium pair so if he hits his set and you hit your K or Q with A kicker your going to bet and get raised anyway.
But then again with AK suited sometimes i would raise and sometimes i would just flat call to mix my play up, if i get raised 4x the blind i will call even out of position because i have a good chance of a flush and straight, chances are they have a weaker hand or medium pair depending who you are playing.
I also want to say just because AK suited is a premium hand doesn't mean you have to raise with it yes you want to push weaker players out but if there is a fish at the table and you hit a strong flop you will wipe him out.
Have played on a tables where 70% winning hands were 76 9J etc. And such a players who raised and raised with their AK were loosing everything. And by the way there is such a thing like bluff... Do You remember what it looks like??!! 
but sometimes pushing really hard is good. It always depend. In a very loose table, raising like 2x or 3x maybe can't be enough.
