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first off sorry for the headline. im prone to bouts of blatant overstatements.
That aside ive been playing again a bit and keep encountering the same phenomenon. Keeping it short and simple when i get a pocket pair i occasionally get a slight pang in my tummy similar to butterflies and not exactly pleasant. More nervous experience. At first i thought it was because i was fearful of losing with KK or AA but after time it kept turning out that each time i had that feeling i would win. Now i dont need to hear about mental illness or asked about my drug consumption because i already know it sounds ludicrous but ive kept records and im currently 11-0 since keeping track. I came close to keeping track a few months ago when i first noticed it but stopped playing but this time around its never been wrong.
Now going even further down the rabbit hole ive started to trust the feeling and its maximized the hell out of my game.
I have been recording and discussing the hands and will wait for the end of the run and will upload it. I obviously know its just a combination of good luck and ignorance on my part but ima ride this till the wheels fall off.
anyone ever experience anything like this? the butterfly feeling?
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Hmm! Interesting. At first I thought....thats not a real word.... but something told me that it probably was...so I went with it...and hey! I was right. Now...I had a 50/50 chance of being right or wrong. I won. Probability says I might have won even if I thought it wasnt a word. Keep going with your prognostication cos probability says that at some time it will come to an end.
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hats off to u.
It would be like knowing for a fact it wasnt a word, finding someone else who knows it isnt a word. Making a wager and once the bet is laid the combination of letters finds itself in the dictionary suddenly. Of course the odds would reflect that both parties knew it wasnt a word.
I dont get the feeling each hand and i dont always lose with a pp if i dont get it. Im fully aware of the fact its a program that decides what happens and there is no way to know until it happens but as of this post its working.
It's most likely a superstition caused by conditioning. It is well documented in science.
Just google classical/operant conditioning vs superstition, or the psychology of superstition. It is unlikely that it will give you any advantage in the long run.
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I get the feeling too, it may sound mad but its like you're psychic. I can literally call cards quite often. The thing is after a while, you start confusing that feeling with ego, then you get nervous about whether to trust it anymore. Its a really weird feeling, eg I'll get 24 off utg, my heart skips a beat and bizarrely my head instantly says call. Thing is, once its wrong, you start thinking, overthinking it, then your superpowers are more elusive.
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Generally speaking: This is an excellent way to become crazy. Literally.
Poker: It's widely known among good poker players that those who choose to 'read signs' and such will ultimately do worse at the game. You may go on a heater and get a confirmation of your insanity - but ultimately you'll be making irrational decisions rather than rational ones and over enough time your bottom line will most definitely suffer.
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Posted by jessthehuman: Generally speaking: This is an excellent way to become crazy. Literally.
Poker: It's widely known among good poker players that those who choose to 'read signs' and such will ultimately do worse at the game. You may go on a heater and get a confirmation of your insanity - but ultimately you'll be making irrational decisions rather than rational ones and over enough time your bottom line will most definitely suffer.
+1 Also when you get confirmation you may be inclined to then say well I't means I'm going to lose, slowly developing a disorder.
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I do completely understand the counter argument and it is true in most cases. But I think when you have been doing anything pretty religiously for 5 years or so, I think you would get some sort of natural almost psychic intuition about the way the cards fall (to a bystander.) But to somebody else with similar experience it wouldn't seem so psychic.
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Posted by sadamman: I do completely understand the counter argument and it is true in most cases. But I think when you have been doing anything pretty religiously for 5 years or so, I think you would get some sort of natural almost psychic intuition about the way the cards fall (to a bystander.) But to somebody else with similar experience it wouldn't seem so psychic.
That is crazy talk, you are suggesting that you can predict a RNG. What happens is, you get for EG. 88 and think I'm going to flop set, and you do, this makes you think you are physic and we are actually programmed to remember the good times so you believe. The next times you get PP you think I won't make set(odd are in favour) this reinforces your belief. But when you make set when thinking you wont you forget, same goes for when you think you will make it, you forget as this is against your belief. Its the same for many things, IE magpies, you believe what you want to, and each time it comes true you reinforce it, or ignore when it does not. There is an old saying, if you search hard enough you will find, go looking for good/bad things they will happen.
Of course that doesn't mean you can't make hero calls or bluffs with air, it only means don't do them too often because most people play their hands by the book, and a LOT of people like to slow play when they hit a good flop.
Pocket pairs are good, but except KK or AA, there's not much to be excited about unless you're short stacked. Don't go playing ring games thinking your QQ is gonna be good everytime, cause you'll have a bad surprise
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Posted by B1gfoot:
Posted by sadamman: I do completely understand the counter argument and it is true in most cases. But I think when you have been doing anything pretty religiously for 5 years or so, I think you would get some sort of natural almost psychic intuition about the way the cards fall (to a bystander.) But to somebody else with similar experience it wouldn't seem so psychic.
That is crazy talk, you are suggesting that you can predict a RNG. What happens is, you get for EG. 88 and think I'm going to flop set, and you do, this makes you think you are physic and we are actually programmed to remember the good times so you believe. The next times you get PP you think I won't make set(odd are in favour) this reinforces your belief. But when you make set when thinking you wont you forget, same goes for when you think you will make it, you forget as this is against your belief. Its the same for many things, IE magpies, you believe what you want to, and each time it comes true you reinforce it, or ignore when it does not. There is an old saying, if you search hard enough you will find, go looking for good/bad things they will happen.
Yeah it can't really be proved nor can it be disproved. But I have experienced it, obviously it can't be done every hand. But on the odd occasion yes I have predicted a RNG. Now am I saying I was or am a psychic. No but what I am saying is I was and could have been. I am open minded. You seem to be certain I wasn't. Yes it could have been and more than likely was a random happening, but it also could have been psychic. Being absolute about either when neither can be proved, is a form of extremism. IMO any form of extremism is bad.
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Posted by B1gfoot:
Posted by sadamman: I do completely understand the counter argument and it is true in most cases. But I think when you have been doing anything pretty religiously for 5 years or so, I think you would get some sort of natural almost psychic intuition about the way the cards fall (to a bystander.) But to somebody else with similar experience it wouldn't seem so psychic.
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That usually happens to me when i’m short and the field is almost reaching the bubble. It looks like i prefer to have bad hands than getting a strong pair because i feel i’ll not pass from that. I guess that happens because of our experience with the game. Some people tell me it’s not about the Money, but if there’s no incentive in the game, why would we mind that much if we lose? And, the bigger the incentive, the bigger the sensation. Imagine a starting field of 110 to 80 paid places and you’re in 40th. Easy, right? Now imagine that, in the first hour, only one player got out of the tourney, and in the second hour only four more followed him…Scary!!! I got to the point of opening youtube with a joke show to try to relax a bit while i was looking at the action on my table… Most of us around here don’t know even half of the story of what is to play online poker, including me!
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Posted by jessthehuman: Generally speaking: This is an excellent way to become crazy. Literally.
Poker: It's widely known among good poker players that those who choose to 'read signs' and such will ultimately do worse at the game. You may go on a heater and get a confirmation of your insanity - but ultimately you'll be making irrational decisions rather than rational ones and over enough time your bottom line will most definitely suffer.
Must agree with Jess on this because its just a nervous feeling you get, everybody gets it when you invest money that matters to you.
When i bet for example 10 euro on blackjack and then decide to bet 200 then sometimes i get the "butterfly feeling" but i never thought it was instinct or even ghosts telling me something. They are just nerves of the stomac..
If you going to link that feeling to everything what you decide life will get strange i bet ..
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Posted by jessthehuman: Generally speaking: This is an excellent way to become crazy. Literally.
Poker: It's widely known among good poker players that those who choose to 'read signs' and such will ultimately do worse at the game. You may go on a heater and get a confirmation of your insanity - but ultimately you'll be making irrational decisions rather than rational ones and over enough time your bottom line will most definitely suffer.
Must agree with Jess on this because its just a nervous feeling you get, everybody gets it when you invest money that matters to you.
When i bet for example 10 euro on blackjack and then decide to bet 200 then sometimes i get the "butterfly feeling" but i never thought it was instinct or even ghosts telling me something. They are just nerves of the stomac..
If you going to link that feeling to everything what you decide life will get strange i bet ..
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Id say ABC poker, but if u get feeling's use them ( i have folded AA because i had feeling id lose and i would have, & other time's i gone in with shirt and won, sometime they be wrong or right, as intuition is the diff between Luck and skill and (good decisions) IMO? make sure though its based on good +EV skill/math's (out's) (decisions) and not poor decisions,Hear say! lol NOWHERE NO WHERE <> NOW HERE NOW HERE <> NO WHERE Kiwi's got there 2nd gold 2 to go lol and we be near GB (even though looks like they cheated in one gold) where at one head of Ozzy's at moment in Medal table, dam Ozzys just got silver so they pass us lol in Medal table PS; nope we got 2 gold and Ozzy got one i see on Google Medal table Go Kiwi's, we got few more chance's get more gold in rowing PS2; YEA HA we just got ur 3rd gold Where up to Russia,Kazakhstan (10th = on Medal table), South Africa with 3 gold's 10th Medal table ! not sure where we are now lol not been updated for long time where now 10th, Russia 9th, Kazakhstan 11th we even beating Canada 26th http://www.google.co.nz/#hl=en&gs_nf=1&cp=12&am...
Edited by 0HighTimes0 (03 August 2012 @ 12:13 GMT)
2 to go lol and we be near GB (even though looks like they cheated in one gold) where at one head of Ozzy's at moment in Medal table, dam Ozzys just got silver so they pass us lol in Medal table
