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PokerStars Hand #84332874526: Tournament #610010347, $1.00+$0.10 USD Hold'em No Limit - Level XXIII (5000/10000) - 2012/08/05 17:24:26 ET Table '610010347 213' 9-max Seat #9 is the button Seat 2: xDavidOmegax (149137 in chips) Seat 3: panos24ve762 (164815 in chips) Seat 4: lolfro (197834 in chips) Seat 5: allessandr7 (327810 in chips) Seat 6: Retard (488376 in chips) Seat 8: bernoulliMM (705575 in chips) Seat 9: Hero (328613 in chips) xDavidOmegax: posts the ante 1000 panos24ve762: posts the ante 1000 lolfro: posts the ante 1000 allessandr7: posts the ante 1000 Retard: posts the ante 1000 bernoulliMM: posts the ante 1000 Hero: posts the ante 1000 xDavidOmegax: posts small blind 5000 panos24ve762: posts big blind 10000 *** HOLE CARDS *** Dealt to Hero [Th As] lolfro: folds allessandr7: folds Retard: raises 15000 to 25000 bernoulliMM: folds Hero: raises 25000 to 75000 xDavidOmegax: folds panos24ve762: folds A8-Gambler: calls 29500 *** FLOP *** [2h Ts 9h] Retard: checks Hero: checks *** TURN *** [2h Ts 9h] A8-Gambler: bets 98250 Hero: calls 98250 *** RIVER *** [2h Ts 9h 8h] Retard: bets 334626 and is all-in Hero: calls 174863 and is all-in Uncalled bet (159763) returned to A8-Gambler *** SHOW DOWN *** retard: shows [9d Td] (two pair, Tens and Nines) hero: shows [Th As] (a pair of Tens) retard collected 677226 from pot hero finished the tournament in 20th place and received $9.80. *** SUMMARY *** Total pot 677226 | Rake 0 Board [2h Ts 9h 8h 6c] Seat 2: xDavidOmegax (small blind) folded before Flop Seat 3: panos24ve762 (big blind) folded before Flop Seat 4: lolfro folded before Flop (didn't bet) Seat 5: allessandr7 folded before Flop (didn't bet) Seat 6: retard showed [9d Td] and won (677226) with two pair, Tens and Nines Seat 8: bernoulliMM folded before Flop (didn't bet) Seat 9: Hero (button) showed [Th As] and lost with a pair of Tens
Typical of your german fish donks online. I sware i hate these cunts and would put one in a coma if ever saw one. Idiot calls out of position for 3 times his opening raise from utg 2+ with 10,9 off suit! Mind you this fish cunt was playing with a vpip of 80% opening just about every hand got 2 pocket Aces and 2 pocket kings and QQ and AKs in the space of 50 hands never loosing a flip when the best i had for about 200 hands was AKs. I know it was probably a bad call but against a german fish cunt its a hard to fold here. These players actually think it requires skill to constantly cooler and run better than god and jesus combined.
Another hand i had today in the Sunday storm had some donk 5bet shove on me preflop for 250bbs with guess what pocket 9s against pocket AAs. And guess what happens he spikes a 9 on the turn. In closing it amazing how people say online poker has gotten tougher over the years actually i think it has gotten worse. The amount of mindless aggression you see these days is unreal and the amount of bad calls is amazing. Any feedback on the hand is wanted by the way.
Edited by Redvulture61 (05 August 2012 @ 22:15 GMT)
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you played that badly and it was 9-10 suited according to your manipulated PT3 HH
dont let tilt get to you man, even though im like the last person who should talk about getting tilted, the fact still remains, your your own biggest enemy when tilted.
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It was 10,9 off suit and calling it out of position is deplorable as it gets. Yes i did edit the hand history to convey my disgust. Its just disgusting man i run so deep so often only to get coolered by some vastly inferior hand.
I have seen this many times and sometimes it involves me losing like this also in a deep run thats why i have change my strategies....against big stack in this situation...if i decide to play because you were talking that his a donk..I would either push or fold with A10o....in this situation i would really push all in to show the big stack that im not a push over...but since you re-reraise..and check it to the river...I will fold there because there are so many hands that can bet your A10...and his bet is really big that you will get busted and thats what happenned..I would only call here with a 7x or i will still fold because he might have j7 or qj with the way he bets it...survival is important in MTT....
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I think the advices that were given above are really valuable but i want to add that under no circumstance you need to tilt so badly...
I mean in time you'll learn that variance and volume work toghether so there is really no escape from bad beats than a large volume and a solid bankroll management!
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Yeah, I gotta say your line is terrible. Why 3-bet so big with A10o, especially when you say villain is a maniac with like 80% vpip. If you insist on 3-betting with a weak hand, at least make it smaller. Without a monster hand against someone so loose/agro, you want to exercise pot control if at all possible. Keep the pot small and if you hit hard, let him hang himself with his aggression. If you biff the flop, you can let the hand go without committing too many chips.
Also, I don't think I like your check on the flop. The boards way too draw heavy to let him take a free card. Mind you all you've got is TPTK, so if you c-bet and he raises, you're in a bad spot.
So then the turn comes, which potentially completes either his flush/straight draw, and when he bets you call.
Calling the donk shove on the river is really bad. I mean sure he could be over-betting with complete air(donks do this all the time) but there's just so many ways the board connects with his potential range that has you beat. QJ, and suited cards, anything with a 7 and virtually any small connectors have you crushed. 100% folding this spot every time.
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You could have been a bit aggressive at the flop. That cost you hard. You were 2nd to act, you had to make him go for a decision! Instead, you let him see the turn and even the flush possibility didn’t scared you (he bet on that) neither him (because he went all-in in the river after you called him). Conclusion: too passive!!!
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Posted by retribution: Yeah, I gotta say your line is terrible. Why 3-bet so big with A10o, especially when you say villain is a maniac with like 80% vpip. If you insist on 3-betting with a weak hand, at least make it smaller. Without a monster hand against someone so loose/agro, you want to exercise pot control if at all possible. Keep the pot small and if you hit hard, let him hang himself with his aggression. If you biff the flop, you can let the hand go without committing too many chips.
Also, I don't think I like your check on the flop. The boards way too draw heavy to let him take a free card. Mind you all you've got is TPTK, so if you c-bet and he raises, you're in a bad spot.
So then the turn comes, which potentially completes either his flush/straight draw, and when he bets you call.
Calling the donk shove on the river is really bad. I mean sure he could be over-betting with complete air(donks do this all the time) but there's just so many ways the board connects with his potential range that has you beat. QJ, and suited cards, anything with a 7 and virtually any small connectors have you crushed. 100% folding this spot every time.
I'm assuming this was a GTD on stars?
I have to agree with EVERYTHING Retribution is saying here. Horrible raise pre-flop with a weak A10. If he didn't give up then, all bets were off. And then..... Mistake after mistake IMO. You basically had a pair of 10's on a very dangerous board. SO many ways to be beat in that hand, really. I'm not defending the Donk call pre, but you had a lot of chances to get out of the hand, and should have. Just being honest, I assume that is what you prefer rather than stroking your ego.
Just think: AA KK QQ JJ 22 1010 99 88 66 QJ 7x (lots of hands there) 10/9 98 86 and ANY 2 harts.....WOW Fold fold fold fold fold......
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He played like that with suited 9T and you are complaining? You should see players playing like that and mostly all in preflop, with any suited, epecially when they have chance for str too. AT like retribution said gets beaten from many other pocket cards. Better luck next time.
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It was late in an MTT and A,10 is s great hand to be blind stealing with which what i was intending on doing. It was 7 handed which makes it even better. If this was the early stages i almost always fold A,10 off from early position.
Edited by Redvulture61 (07 August 2012 @ 02:31 GMT)
still a long way to go....all in pre flop with A10o if your think villain is aggro...by going all in you have two chances of winning the hand.....rather than calling with top pair in that board...your absolutely beat there..there is a very little chance that you A10 will win in showdown...
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Posted by Redvulture61: It was late in an MTT and A,10 is s great hand to be blind stealing with which what i was intending on doing. It was 7 handed which makes it even better. If this was the early stages i almost always fold A,10 off from early position.
That I understand. The question is whether this "80% opener retard" was going to fold to your re-raise. Only you can answer that as it was your table. When he did call, like I said, all bets were off. But I very much understand that this type of guy can use aggression with nothing thinking everyone else will fold. That is SUPER irritating, and make you think he is holding squat, so you react by calling. Done it myself enough times. But "thinking" about it afterwards of course, you know it should have been folded somewhere along the line. These "Nutcases" are just too dangerous...and often lucky, and you basically NEVER know what they are holding, so pick your spots.
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Really don't understand how can you bet 7.5x with only AT :| any AJ AQ AK JJ QQ KK AA TT Beat you :| and on the flop you go all in :| with top pair ? not even 2 pair or over pair :| this is good cuz you lose because you don't know to play... next time i hope you shove or play tight... any fish call you with 2 pair on flop... no bad beat no excuse.. just bad play wish you all the best
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Posted by Doarulle: Really don't understand how can you bet 7.5x with only AT :| any AJ AQ AK JJ QQ KK AA TT Beat you :| and on the flop you go all in :| with top pair ? not even 2 pair or over pair :| this is good cuz you lose because you don't know to play... next time i hope you shove or play tight... any fish call you with 2 pair on flop... no bad beat no excuse.. just bad play wish you all the best
This thread is like a 2 months old i had all but forgotten this hand till i you posted. You obviously are illiterate because you did not read the post. I had A,10 he was opening 80% of hands it was the late stages 7 handed and i had position. Any good player knows that the adjustment you make to this type of player is to 3bet a lot lighter which i was doing which is the correct play. Any non fish realizes that the hands you mentioned will certainly be 4bet by this sort of player and not flatted out of position so his range never consists of those hands. Another reason why your a fish is you did not realize that all the money went in on the river and not flop.
Looking back on it, i could of gotten away from this hand but its very close decision which could of gone either way given the gameflow, player type, and game dynamics.
Since you not read the post, thoroughly analyse the hand, and just made a quick 30 second post which you did while obviously stomping on the keyboard with your feet, your post should be given as much credibility as winning poker advice from Jamie gold.
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I don't want to be starting any type of argument, but there's donks in every country and of every race. Actually we've all played a donk hand ourself, but some players straight up donk players. These are players who don't really care or may actually be tracking the cards / hands and chance the likelyhood of hitting. It is poker and we've all been the victim of getting donked out. Just don't tilt or take it to extremes since it is a game of chance unless you definitely have the nuts.
because I don't like at all the racism and vulgarism in a lot of the statements. 
