Could nine players justifiably go all-in in a single hand?
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It's early in a 9-handed tournament and everyone on the table has at least 40bb. Is there any possible situation where all nine players could go all-in in a single hand and every player could justify his actions, in other words they could all give whatever reason for their move and it would be concluded that at the time of that decision they arguably made the right play?
I voted "No not even close", but I changed my mind. There may be a situation far from the bubble, where all 9 players get a good starting hand, and have a CSI around 1.
Since, in that situation, it's desperation time, you can push a very wide range, even without fold equity, and when 8 players (that are equally desperate), are all in already.
Edit: I missed the 40 BB part, in that case I stand by my original answer.
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No, not at all. There just aren't enough hands that could possibly make tis happen. I would say 2, maybe 3 and in some extreme cases 4 (I ones played a hand where I was KK, all-in pre flop, 3 players call, one was AA, another QQ and third TT).
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Yes with a caveat:
Only if the action lead to people getting priced in after a raising way or something.. Or if it kept going around the table getting min-raised each circuit, something like that.. 9 people couldn't all justify being allin pre-flop with open-shoves of 40bb, cold-calling 40bb, etc. Only 2 combos of AA and 2 of KK, you could include another 2 of QQ I suppose; for 40bb QQ is probably an allin, depending where in the action the people with QQ were...
yes its possible...i have experience it in a low buy in rebuy live tournament... because it was a rebuy and the buy in was not big..one of my opponents suggest to go all in every hand for the next 10 hands which all in the table agreed and it was really unbelievable the winning hole where...suited connectors has been most winners like 46s, 78s, even 62 were good....high pocket was a loser....hahaha but it was a good experience.....
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Posted by erru9107: No, not at all. There just aren't enough hands that could possibly make tis happen. I would say 2, maybe 3 and in some extreme cases 4 (I ones played a hand where I was KK, all-in pre flop, 3 players call, one was AA, another QQ and third TT).
BTW. Who will win? And back to topic - in freerolls - this is possible
Player 1 - AA Player 2 - AK Player 3 - AK Player 4 - KK Player 5 - Q5 Player 6 - QQ Player 7 - QJ Player 8 - JJ Player 9 - 8T
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I voted for No not even close. I see in freerolls 3 or 4 all-ins but more did not seen Maybe in re-buy tourneys is a strategy to go all in for a while. Good luck
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I voted yes as in a freeroll with a lot of players this is also a strategy to spend not to much time.
What I mean is that at the beginning of a freeroll with more than 5000 players it s sometimes better to do an all in with more than 5 so one of them gets bigstack and the others go out. Then playing very tight for over 2 hours and than loose vs a bigstack before the payout.
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Posted by Sorin888: I voted for No not even close. I see in freerolls 3 or 4 all-ins but more did not seen Maybe in re-buy tourneys is a strategy to go all in for a while. Good luck
You're right but the question was "Is there any possible situation" - so, theoretically, yes! Practically, I didn't see this situation before, too...
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Theoretically yes, but I doubt that everyone can argue his hand as the right play. Practically possible I think only in freerolls, but the most hands all in I ve seen was 6 I guess. I was one of those with AA and lost to Q5 if I remember correct.
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couple of yeaars ago i had a 9 all in on flop of a 1c 2c cash table and was the big stack was winning on flop and turn but got rivered ... if i had held on river would have taken all the money on the table ... dam pity as it would have been cool to do
Posted by schmoyster: Easy. Player 1 - TT Player 2 - JJ Player 3 - JJ Player 4 - QQ Player 5 - QQ Player 6 - KK Player 7 - KK Player 8 - AA Player 9 - AA
How can they all NOT shove?
If you mean pre flop?
Player 1: Shoving TT with 40 BB is already a bad play Player 2: Calling JJ for all of your stack with 7 players still to act, even worse... Player 3: Need I go on?
No. In fact, I forgot to put a smile after my post. But still, if it is micro-limits and players act in the order that I stated, they all can "justify their action" (this is one of the conditions of awood88's puzzle). Of course, it is hard to meet the second condition - " that at the time of that decision they arguably made the right play"
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As mentioned above only if it was some sort of min raise fest pricing everyone in. If just AI from the outset then no, this is one of those situation that LTA should fold AA pre. Then again it could be a re-buy hmm I guess yes actually.
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sure- the more players go all in the less strong holding can call the shove with enough value- lets say this example- player 1 (p1) had qq- goes allin, p2 has kk- surely calls- p3 has aa, calls without any consideration, now p4 has ak- calls, p5- again ak- calls- p6 has jj- with this pot surely calls- p7/p8/p9 and p10 all can easily call with any pair, technically possible
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Lol i see it in freerolls and micro games that 4-5 players often involved in a hand, but all players at the tanles is crazy. They think perhaps that they have good pot odds in this situation And in the most time the player with hand like 2-7 offsuit is the hero and takes it all...
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I dont think its eay to happen based on what awood is saying. And if there were a chance like the probably a couple of players must be regular all inners with crap cards
If it wasnt the 40bb in a rebuy as it has been said above can happen. I have played one with seven out from ten that went all in
