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After the check on the turn i think it's clear the guy has you beat (at least from a cold read based on the info you have given).
You should never have raised it with K, 10 in the SB to start with, especially with a riase before you.
Whats k10 gonna beat? Not that much with which they have raised you. KJ, KQ, AK even. AA and KK whip you. Pocket pairs possible also with a possibility of trips being hit on river or turn.
So really the only thing you canbeat is a bluff here - never a good spot to be in obviously.
Avoid this in future by picking your raises with K,10 in the SB more carefully - if there ahdn't been a raise then i'm not opposed to raising to win the blinds in that spot.
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I wouldn't raise the small blind with K10 even short-handed. In fact I think the best option is to fold. You could be in front but it's dangerous to play out of position. Fold and you lose 5c but if you call and the flop comes K high you don't really know where you are. If they fold to your flop bet you ain't won much but if they call you can't afford to keep firing with no good kicker. You were probably better off check-raising the flop as it would have shown strength and settled the score early.
You've posted quite a few hand histories now. I hope you're reading the responses as you don't ever reply.
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Posted by awood88: I wouldn't raise the small blind with K10 even short-handed. In fact I think the best option is to fold. You could be in front but it's dangerous to play out of position. Fold and you lose 5c but if you call and the flop comes K high you don't really know where you are. If they fold to your flop bet you ain't won much but if they call you can't afford to keep firing with no good kicker. You were probably better off check-raising the flop as it would have shown strength and settled the score early.
You've posted quite a few hand histories now. I hope you're reading the responses as you don't ever reply.
I have to disagree with you on this. Sure we're at a disadvantage playing OOP, but K10 is a pretty good hand to be raising with in the SB. For how often we're just stealing the blind pre, K10 is definitely in our steal range. I mean if you're not raising k10, what range ARE you stealing with?
Any thinking villain will likely be calling any decent PP, broadways or decent ace and folding the rest. The only thing I'd be concerned about is pulling this move against someone who 3-bets a wide range.
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Posted by retribution: I have to disagree with you on this. Sure we're at a disadvantage playing OOP, but K10 is a pretty good hand to be raising with in the SB. For how often we're just stealing the blind pre, K10 is definitely in our steal range. I mean if you're not raising k10, what range ARE you stealing with?
I don't see the same need to steal in a cash game. K10 is a good hand short handed and I would raise with it in EP but faced with an UTG raise this is a situation where it is easier to lose a lot than win a lot. What raising hand is gonna catch a flop that is better for you, especially one where you know you're in front. Now I admit if you don't give the raiser much credit (although it is unlikely he will want to steal a small pot in EP) you can raise and force him to fold but in that case any two cards would be appropriate. Honestly, stealing a bb and 4bet wouldn't really cross my mind. I would only play hands where I was prepared to see a flop. That includes suited connectors if we are both deep and I think I can outplay them.
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If you call him on turn "not believing" your opponent you must call, cause that river card makes no diffrence. If you call to maybe catch a lucky card on river you are a fish and would probably call anyways even tho you should fold. If you call because you have no idea and you just wanna see how the hand evolves and what the opponent does, you should fold.
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Posted by awood88:
Posted by retribution: I have to disagree with you on this. Sure we're at a disadvantage playing OOP, but K10 is a pretty good hand to be raising with in the SB. For how often we're just stealing the blind pre, K10 is definitely in our steal range. I mean if you're not raising k10, what range ARE you stealing with?
I don't see the same need to steal in a cash game. K10 is a good hand short handed and I would raise with it in EP but faced with an UTG raise this is a situation where it is easier to lose a lot than win a lot. What raising hand is gonna catch a flop that is better for you, especially one where you know you're in front. Now I admit if you don't give the raiser much credit (although it is unlikely he will want to steal a small pot in EP) you can raise and force him to fold but in that case any two cards would be appropriate. Honestly, stealing a bb and 4bet wouldn't really cross my mind. I would only play hands where I was prepared to see a flop. That includes suited connectors if we are both deep and I think I can outplay them.
Woops, didn't see the UTG raise. Yeah, definitely not 3-betting with k10 pre, unless you know UTG is opening wide and folding to 3-bets a lot. Even then, I don't think k10 is going to be in my 3-bet range.
Against a random hand K 10o is 59.7% and K 10s is 61.7%. Even suited oop I'm folding here in a cash game...the reverse implied odds scream fold. In other words even if you make a hand here by the river the odds are it's second best. Let us see the end of the hand.
