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Good fold I ended up having to do this in a 109$ buy in I won entry into with sat pretty much same situation 3 guys ended up all in 1 with j-j one with q-q and one with a-k and the winner was a-k with a straight 10-j-q showed up on the board it was a good fold by me when there's that many in the pot its a hard choice when playing a big game

     
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Posted by fatalsilence:
Good fold I ended up having to do this in a 109$ buy in I won entry into with sat pretty much same situation 3 guys ended up all in 1 with j-j one with q-q and one with a-k and the winner was a-k with a straight 10-j-q showed up on the board it was a good fold by me when there's that many in the pot its a hard choice when playing a big game


You have no clue how totally wrong you are.
The fact that AK would have won the hand does not make your fold a good one.
You cant predict which hand gonna win right?
Your fold is an absolute horrible one, playing that allin AA could have make you problably close too chipleader, that you would have lost the hand doesnt matter and has absolute nothing to do with it.

     
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I'm sorry but even if you was on the bubble, folding AA is just a big no no! You simply don't fold that hand in any situation pre-flop. Your way of justifying the fold by arguing that you would have lost the hand if you have called is actually not relevant since you have to work on the information that you do have. And that information is simple: You have the best possible hand, no one at the table has a better hand then you do. Don't be afraid to put your tournament on the line with the chance to quadruple. Winning that hand would make you a big stack and you did at that moment have the winning hand.

The only reason I would ever fold AA pre-flop is if I was playing a satellite and all I needed to do was place in the top 20 with 25 players left and there was a number of smaller stacks still in the tournament.

     
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Posted by doomdy:
Posted by fatalsilence:
Good fold I ended up having to do this in a 109$ buy in I won entry into with sat pretty much same situation 3 guys ended up all in 1 with j-j one with q-q and one with a-k and the winner was a-k with a straight 10-j-q showed up on the board it was a good fold by me when there's that many in the pot its a hard choice when playing a big game


You have no clue how totally wrong you are.
The fact that AK would have won the hand does not make your fold a good one.
You cant predict which hand gonna win right?
Your fold is an absolute horrible one, playing that allin AA could have make you problably close too chipleader, that you would have lost the hand doesnt matter and has absolute nothing to do with it.


i dont care what anyone says i go by my gut feeling and i did sit there for about 30 seconds desiding what to do and my gut told that this hand was going to break me and if i feel that way ill
fold and when the board came down i would of lost.

     
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Posted by fatalsilence:
Posted by doomdy:
Posted by fatalsilence:
Good fold I ended up having to do this in a 109$ buy in I won entry into with sat pretty much same situation 3 guys ended up all in 1 with j-j one with q-q and one with a-k and the winner was a-k with a straight 10-j-q showed up on the board it was a good fold by me when there's that many in the pot its a hard choice when playing a big game


You have no clue how totally wrong you are.
The fact that AK would have won the hand does not make your fold a good one.
You cant predict which hand gonna win right?
Your fold is an absolute horrible one, playing that allin AA could have make you problably close too chipleader, that you would have lost the hand doesnt matter and has absolute nothing to do with it.


i dont care what anyone says i go by my gut feeling and i did sit there for about 30 seconds desiding what to do and my gut told that this hand was going to break me and if i feel that way ill
fold and when the board came down i would of lost.


LMAO Big Smile

You can predict the future Big Smile
So now you can play nosebleeds against the Iveys, the Dwans and any other top pros, you cant loose cos you have allways your gut feeling Big Smile

Well done Big Smile

     
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Posted by doomdy:
Posted by fatalsilence:
Posted by doomdy:
Posted by fatalsilence:
Good fold I ended up having to do this in a 109$ buy in I won entry into with sat pretty much same situation 3 guys ended up all in 1 with j-j one with q-q and one with a-k and the winner was a-k with a straight 10-j-q showed up on the board it was a good fold by me when there's that many in the pot its a hard choice when playing a big game


You have no clue how totally wrong you are.
The fact that AK would have won the hand does not make your fold a good one.
You cant predict which hand gonna win right?
Your fold is an absolute horrible one, playing that allin AA could have make you problably close too chipleader, that you would have lost the hand doesnt matter and has absolute nothing to do with it.


i dont care what anyone says i go by my gut feeling and i did sit there for about 30 seconds desiding what to do and my gut told that this hand was going to break me and if i feel that way ill
fold and when the board came down i would of lost.


LMAO Big Smile

You can predict the future Big Smile
So now you can play nosebleeds against the Iveys, the Dwans and any other top pros, you cant loose cos you have allways your gut feeling Big Smile

Well done Big Smile


dont get me wrong theres many times i have gone with my gut and folded and would of won.
but i have played many games going all in with A-A vs muilitple people isnt always the best option.
but everyone had there own opinions.

     
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Yep..It all depends on where you are in the tourney, your relative strength in the hand and whether the other guys have already gone all in. Its still a tempting move to follow all in but a brave and often sensible move to throw your hand away.

     
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If you're playing poker to win back your buy-in + 20 % , then congratulations you made a brilliant fold , like that guy said , the other players could've had in hand Joker Joker , and your aces would be nothing , if your actually playing poker to win some money and feel good about yourself , then you would've called that hand , so I guess it's the first option for you.

     
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It sounds like you ended up making the right decision, but I couldn't have done this no matter what. I guess if there was a 100K on the line, but then I still think I'd nbe blowing my chance to win the 100K so if in the position I would have lost with AA.

You apparently made the right call!

     
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I did this a couple of days ago but only because it was a satellite on the bubble. I was in third place with 13 winning a ticket and the BB open shoved all in. No brainer really, fold in that situation every time.

     
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i can understand you reason for folding there,but i have never folded AA pre-flop and i know i never would, aye i know you're % goes down if there are 3 or 4 in the pot but i would still never do it.

     
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Don't know why I said BB in that last post. What I meant was the chip leader open shoved all in. It was actually me that was BB.

     
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Am i the only one here who cannot belive what he is reading? Folding AAs is never a good play regardless of the result unless its in a satellite where it can be necessary sometimes. When will you fish ever learn! Say if i bluff of my stack with 10% equity in a hand to make runner runner flush against my opponents set to end up winning the hand it does not mean its a good play? No, of course not this is results oriented thinking.

In poker, you can play your hands 100% perfectly and still lose conversely you can play your hands appalling and stil win. That's the short term luck in poker and you have to focus on the elements that you can control and forget about the ones you cant. I can assure you, if you continually make EV positive decisions frequently over the long term you will be a winning player.

     
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The fact that you folded AA at all shows that you at least put thought into everything you do, not just blindly calling all-in vs multiple opponents with the 'pre flop nuts'. Don't let people say it means you're a poor player... it doesn't. I wouldn't have folded - I would have called... and got knocked out no doubt - but if you were following proper bankroll management techniques, the prize for scraping the cash would not have been worth holding on for compared to the possible 1st place prize. The main reason for following BR rules, is that you'll never have to make 'bad plays', like folding AA through fear of going broke.

For the record - I don't think it was an awful play.... just a slightly weak one.

     
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Posted by yout85:
The fact that you folded AA at all shows that you at least put thought into everything you do, not just blindly calling all-in vs multiple opponents with the 'pre flop nuts'. Don't let people say it means you're a poor player... it doesn't. I wouldn't have folded - I would have called... and got knocked out no doubt - but if you were following proper bankroll management techniques, the prize for scraping the cash would not have been worth holding on for compared to the possible 1st place prize. The main reason for following BR rules, is that you'll never have to make 'bad plays', like folding AA through fear of going broke.

For the record - I don't think it was an awful play.... just a slightly weak one.


Your an idiot. If he was exercising good bankroll management the decisions he makes at the table would have no bearing on the state of his roll.

     
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.....You're an idiot. That was exactly my point.

     
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Lol here we go again.

     
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Redvulture61, it's perfectly possible to disagree with someone without resorting to insulting them.

     
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Aside from the obvious satellite situations, where I've folded pocket AA multiple times, for the best chance to win a ticket, there are other situations where it's -EV to not fold AA.

For example when you're in the BB, and everyone has gone all-in already, it's not too exotic to be in a situation where it's -EV to call, even without factoring in the bubble factor, which might skew profitability significantly.

In such a situation it's not unreasonable to suppose the other aces are tied up somewhere. One can think of situations where AA is the worst hand pre-flop (see images).

And what about when you're at the final table, with 8 tiny stacks, and 1 big stack opponent that just has you covered. When he pushes, surely you can fold your AA here? The bubble factor is huge here, since you are risking finishing 10th, when you've got a "sure thing" top 2 finish. (depending on how steep the prize structure is of course).

Edited by marqis (28 September 2012 @ 00:57 GMT)

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What I want to know is, if you aren't happy going all in with AA, what would you call with..

Acually, knowing most of the donks playing these days, 9 7 suited would have instigated and instacall...

Folding AA.. you have to be kidding..

     
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