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However, while genuine time-banking is a part of live poker, it seems the instances of players tanking for no reason is on the increase.
During the early levels of Day 1B at the EPT San Remo, Daniel Negreanu took some time out tweet his frustration at players agonising over trivial decisions. While Dwan might have wrongly assumed he was to blame for players taking a long time over their decisions, much of the debate centred on whether live tournaments should introduce some sort of shot clock.
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Having a clock in such tournaments isnt the best thing. Its live tournament with serious money involved so players need more time for sure to decide at some point.
Did i get that right with Negreanu that he used the tweeter ?
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I don't think this is possible... because PRO players say TIME and the dealer activate stopwatch and the player have x seconds to action if he don't action in :-?? 10 seconds for example... the hand is dead... but i really don't know why they need a post shot clock... but your post is good... single time when i activate my time on a MTT is when i need to go ITM... after that play...
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Daniel knows most of his opponents is not even close from his level, he shouldn't expect other thing when he sits at a real table. I also believe that all of tht lack of action is really just ignorance from the game, it's not what others may define as strategy to annoy better players and try to attack their patience. Some know more than others, others will take more time to act because they aren't sure of what they should do.
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I am sure that there are times when calling the clock is warranted. At our live tournament league there are some players, even those who are fairly experienced, who wait much too long to make a decision. If you have to think about a play for that long than you didn't plan your hand out very well, and don't have a good enough read on your opponent to make a good decision. When the blinds are going up every 15 minutes, and every hand takes about a minute to play and somebody agonizes for two minutes over a play, it doesn't give you many hands to play your game, and reduces it to a turbo-style tournament.
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I've been known to call for a clock in a live game but only when a player takes over a minute to act pre-flop. I mean, seriously, pre-flop? You should know what to do in 15 secs maximum.
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i think it's a fair idea- just bring in the same rules as in online poker. maybe players at first would disagree with the fact, but when they get used to those rules the general atmosphere at the tables would be much clearer- everyone would be equal and everyone would know how much time they have left...
In live tournaments a lot of players tend to wait for long times, not to calculate odds or think about what to do. They just want extra time for their opponents to get impatience and give them a tell.
On the other hand you can really tilt some players by calling the clock on them. You actually "invade" their turn and take over the control. I tend to use this technique sometimes against aggressive players .
Edited by weakminded (08 October 2012 @ 19:46 GMT)
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I have seen a few tv games from big tournaments with tonyg keep asking for the timer. Honestly in all the tournaments i have watched he is the only one asking for it. Annoying in every way he can, as always.
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Online poker is in general much faster than live poker. I don't think that live poker is any more "serious" except that players also have to contemplate that if they are knocked out they can't keep playing poker, whereas online they can start a new tourney if they like. I think online is faster due to a combination of people multi-tabling, less socialising, the absence of that psychological interaction with your opponent, the desire of players to play more hands and the time it takes to shuffle and deal. Online poker companies obviously have a lot to gain by increasing the speed of hands so that's another reason why we have the clock online but live players don't like to be rushed so I can't see a clock for every hand working in a live game.
Sometimes I get annoyed by how long a hand takes when I'm playing live but I think it's bad etiquette to ask players to hurry up especially when you are not in the hand. When I am in the hand though and someone and is taking their time calling/folding I don't like to say anything. My heart is usually in my mouth and I have to act normal and keep chatting with people on the table and all I'm thinking is hurry up and put me out of this misery. But anything I say will affect the move that player makes and I don't want to talk him into folding/calling. I think that trying to talk someone into making the move you want them to is always more likely to fail and it's better to say nothing, but it can be a long time to say nothing when a player tanks.
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I think the question belongs in the pile of 'poker snobbery' that yopu get from people who like to play by the 'rules' (accepted etiquette) and then get really annoyed when another player plays contrary to those rules and the original 'moaner' loses as a result. Its just another tactic that can be deployed to get under a players skin especially when they are so 'rule' focussed. e.g. It really annoys me when someone gets raised or called by K9o which then goes on to win, and the loser moans that the K9o should not have been in the hand. Why not? They won!!
if he don't action in :-?? 10 seconds for example... the hand is dead... but i really don't know why they need a post shot clock... but your post is good... single time when i activate my time on a MTT is when i need to go ITM... after that play...
