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Posted by KeefBurtons: Tommy I don't get what you mean. I raised 4x BB then it was reraised 3x my raise therefore I called incase he had AA or AK. I think the reraise from whoosh was bad considering he only had QQ. He must have surely said to himself that I may have AA KK or AK. I personally think a call is in order when someone raises 4x BB under the gun but not a reraise with QQ. So personally I think your comment that Whoosh should reraise to $8 is absolute nonsense.
------------ 'I started it' haha Grow up old man.
lol!! Are you actually being serious???? This is the funniest post ever!!! I actually laughed pretty hard in between crying into my hands in despair at people not undastanding the pokah!
So you only ever 4bet (rereraise) when you have AA? Do you realise how easy this makes you to play against? You also think the only hands he plays to a 4bet are AA and AK??? Seriously? And whats the problem with him having AK??? Happy days imo. Of course he may have AA but he can also have other hands. Its a squeeze situation therefore his range should be pretty wide, considering you seem like a nit and someone flatcalled.
And are you being serious that _whoosh_ shouldn't reraise to $8??? He's got QQ? 1) Worse hands will call a 3bet all day long. 2) His range should be pretty wide given that this a squeeze situation over a nit. QQ is monstrous 3) Why in gods name would he flat a raise oop with QQ????? This is ridiculously bad. This would be one of the most retard things you could do at a poker table.
Please do not call my posts nonsense. You would be much better off just reading them and taking on board the points I offer, because you contradicting one of the most obvious things to do is so lol and ridiculous.
There is one reason that you could have given for flatting KK here to the squeeze, but thats as far from the reason you give as possible. Wondering if anyone can spot it and give a good reason why and a plan for the rest of the hand????? I'll send $10 on CD poker to anyone who can? I'm relatively confident my money is safe here.
I've actually refrained from using a lot of condescending language here that I really wanted to after you called my post nonsense cos....EDITED OUT COS I GOT CONDESCENDING AGAIN....
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So you only ever 4bet (rereraise) when you have AA? Do you realise how easy this makes you to play against? You also think the only hands he plays to a 4bet are AA and AK??? Seriously? And whats the problem with him having AK??? Happy days imo.
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Yes Tommy I am a beginner and do, at this moment in time only raise 4xBB with premium hands (not AA) UNDER THE GUN (as mentioned). I've been sat at the table for a while playing tighter than a Nun's private part then raise 4xBB UTG and get reraised and you have the audacity to tell me that I, out of the 3 played it worse than both them. Whoosh reraised me and could have been facing AA, AK, KK, AQ. Don't get me started on the guy who called with 10's.
Now in my opinion!!!! When the flops is shown I can't lose. Anoybody calling the raises with AJ will eventually lose all there chips at some point in the match. Anyone with AA, im going all in and taken the pot there and then because I have trip Kings. I knew that someone defo had trips Q's and I was getting paid. The bonus was the chap with 10's. So sorry, I only said you where talking nonsense because you said the other 2 played the hand better than me and they flat out didn't. proof is in the chip wipe out.
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considering you seem like a nit and someone flatcalled. [/QUOTE]
Well, your judgement is already in question!!!
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And are you being serious that _whoosh_ shouldn't reraise to $8??? He's got QQ? 1) Worse hands will call a 3bet all day long. 2) His range should be pretty wide given that this a squeeze situation over a nit. QQ is monstrous 3) Why in gods name would he flat a raise oop with QQ????? This is ridiculously bad. This would be one of the most retard things you could do at a poker table. [/QUOTE]
Very serious that he shouldnt reraise. like I said I was playing very tight poker. But you seem to know better or have flat disregarded how I was playing but still reckoned they played the hand better. Sorry Tommy but I do think you are talking nonsense and really I can't take your point as help but I certainly am willing to listening to anybody. You passed judgement about how bad I played the hand after I wiped them out and IMO this hand was executed very well from what I have learned from books that I have bought.
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There is one reason that you could have given for flatting KK here to the squeeze, but thats as far from the reason you give as possible. Wondering if anyone can spot it and give a good reason why and a plan for the rest of the hand????? I'll send $10 on CD poker to anyone who can? I'm relatively confident my money is safe here. [/QUOTE]
Tommy it's very easy to spot but look at the raises and the calls. nobody has them hands if they do they wouldnt last long and I would have their chips anyway eventually.
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I've actually refrained from using a lot of condescending language here that I really wanted to after you called my post nonsense cos....EDITED OUT COS I GOT CONDESCENDING AGAIN.... [/QUOTE]
these are they guys who i really hate...like the other guy said the other players played better than u so u just lucked out...i dont think it was ur "skill" lol or should i say obvious lack of it........
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I'm sorry you hate me through a forum post, (LOL) but please explain why they outplayed me on this hand. I don't see it. Please can anyone explain to me other than the my beloved Irish why I got outplayed and wiped these guys out because seriously they have lost me.
Are you guys seriuosly saying that I should not be all in with trip Kings.
Gambit I have to say that your 5TH post..... telling me that I played a hand wrong cannot be upheld. Remeber you are here for a free bankroll so don't talk to me about skill.
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Posted by KeefBurtons: Artic do you have any input on the hand????
nope,,,, only issue i had was you crowing about handing out badbeats when you didnt,,,you hit a nice hand and got well paid,,,even the gut with 10s cant be faulted to much for playing,,,,so!,,,,,,u want to get technical talk to yer last post,,,,but i have said my piece,,,,,you dug the hole u get out of it,,,,,,lolllllllllllllll
I will say on yer behalf though that the guys critisiseing yer play are strange to say the least,,,the only thing that erked me was the bad beat thing,,,,so,,,thats me,,,
Edited by ArcticCorsair (25 April 2008 @ 11:12 GMT)
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Seriously? Is this a level?
By the way 4bet refers to a rereraise preflop not to the size of your raise. Also, I don't think anybody would ever question your postflop play. Thats just ridiculously standard. As I said, in some circumstances I would play preflop the same, but not in this one. And still nobodys taken my offer of a free $10 up???
As advice, most poker books are retarded, out of date, and do not deal with internet poker. I don't know of any that I'd recommend to anyone.
If you wanna learn how to play poker just go to internet forums. Cos I'm not allowed post links to any places with decent advice I'm going to post this link...
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Posted by tommygunne: Seriously? Is this a level?
By the way 4bet refers to a rereraise preflop not to the size of your raise. Also, I don't think anybody would ever question your postflop play. Thats just ridiculously standard. As I said, in some circumstances I would play preflop the same, but not in this one. And still nobodys taken my offer of a free $10 up???
As advice, most poker books are retarded, out of date, and do not deal with internet poker. I don't know of any that I'd recommend to anyone.
If you wanna learn how to play poker just go to internet forums. Cos I'm not allowed post links to any places with decent advice I'm going to post this link...
Please read it. It may explain to you how far off you are with your thought process. Hopefully.
Gun,,,,I got involved with this thread because of his crowing,,,now you have turned it into a tutorial,,,,,well all i can say is ,,,bull xxxx,,,,,sure u can pick at the hand,, but thats all,,, kk,,,,trips on flop,,,so what does he do ,, he plays it,,,,and your picking on bets,,,why you making this hand so technical...it was a no brains play,,,,,and dont even start ,, because your not the only one who can read,,,,,,i qualify that by saying maybe you are the only one who believes you can
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Like i said earlier no one did nything really bad in this hand. no exceptional play either.
one thing keef. u say ur a beginner. thats some pretty high stakes for a beginner. i didnt play at this level for atleast my first year but hey thats me.
u wont go far mate if ur gonna put anyone who reraises u on AA but i dont fault u for just callin cos A9 could beat u if an A came on the flop and in my experience the lucky bstrds always hit their ace.
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even on aa,,,he hit trips on flop,,,and bet was low ,,preflop,,,,u reading the same hand man,,,,kk,,,preflop
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Posted by ArcticCorsair:
Posted by tommygunne: Seriously? Is this a level?
By the way 4bet refers to a rereraise preflop not to the size of your raise. Also, I don't think anybody would ever question your postflop play. Thats just ridiculously standard. As I said, in some circumstances I would play preflop the same, but not in this one. And still nobodys taken my offer of a free $10 up???
As advice, most poker books are retarded, out of date, and do not deal with internet poker. I don't know of any that I'd recommend to anyone.
If you wanna learn how to play poker just go to internet forums. Cos I'm not allowed post links to any places with decent advice I'm going to post this link...
Please read it. It may explain to you how far off you are with your thought process. Hopefully.
Gun,,,,I got involved with this thread because of his crowing,,,now you have turned it into a tutorial,,,,,well all i can say is ,,,bull xxxx,,,,,sure u can pick at the hand,, but thats all,,, kk,,,,trips on flop,,,so what does he do ,, he plays it,,,,and your picking on bets,,,why you making this hand so technical...it was a no brains play,,,,,and dont even start ,, because your not the only one who can read,,,,,,i qualify that by saying maybe you are the only one who believes you can
I will TAKE YOUR 10$,,,,,,the kk should of been called ,,,,then when the monkey with the qq went all in,,,, call,,,,k on flop,,,trips,,,,,,dam now i got to go all in,,,,,,hmmm,,,maybe i better not,,,dont know,,,maybe i should,,,,,,hmmmm,,,,well maybe,,,dont know,,,hmmmm,,,xxxxx,,,desicions desicions,,,damm,,,its like being married,,,,will i wont I,,,,what will say if she calls,,,,dam!,,, I could bluff,,,,hmmmm,,,dam what am i going to do!!,,,,dam,,,,mum ! ok,,,am going to call i dont give a s**t,,,,hmmm,,, wait!!! maybe i better not?mmmmmmmmmmm
Edited by ArcticCorsair (25 April 2008 @ 15:51 GMT)
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Posted by awood88: Like i said earlier no one did nything really bad in this hand. no exceptional play either.
one thing keef. u say ur a beginner. thats some pretty high stakes for a beginner. i didnt play at this level for atleast my first year but hey thats me.
u wont go far mate if ur gonna put anyone who reraises u on AA but i dont fault u for just callin cos A9 could beat u if an A came on the flop and in my experience the lucky bstrds always hit their ace.
My bankroll is fine to be playing at this level. When I say beginner, it's not like i've only been playing for a month. Every day I top up my bankroll with some Short stack strategy then use the winnings to play a shorthanded game.
Unlike 20 year olds who talk to me about the game like they have been playing it since they were 10.
I was just a tad peevd that someone was criticising how I played the hand. I think Artic summed it up prefectly. It was a no brainer. The cards took care of themselves for me.
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Posted by KeefBurtons:
Posted by awood88: Like i said earlier no one did nything really bad in this hand. no exceptional play either.
one thing keef. u say ur a beginner. thats some pretty high stakes for a beginner. i didnt play at this level for atleast my first year but hey thats me.
u wont go far mate if ur gonna put anyone who reraises u on AA but i dont fault u for just callin cos A9 could beat u if an A came on the flop and in my experience the lucky bstrds always hit their ace.
My bankroll is fine to be playing at this level. When I say beginner, it's not like i've only been playing for a month. Every day I top up my bankroll with some Short stack strategy then use the winnings to play a shorthanded game.
Unlike 20 year olds who talk to me about the game like they have been playing it since they were 10.
I was just a tad peevd that someone was criticising how I played the hand. I think Artic summed it up prefectly. It was a no brainer. The cards took care of themselves for me.
ok,,,,cool.......lets let it rest in peace,,,,dam us players are so petty,,,,,,,I was going to say xxxx xxxxxx xxx,,,but admin said if i did i was banned,,,,,then who woyuld i have to wind up,,,,,,,,,,chill men ,,,,,xxxx the sites man thats who we should be aiming at not ourselfs,, so xxxx it lets go,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,we pay we play,,,so enough fighting,,,cause i will kick yer xxxx if u start,,,, ARCTIC
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Sigh. I give up. I explained in a pretty bad way anyway....
Someday....
I've got so much to say but none of it relevant unfortunately. Don't see why a debate got petty and the poster was attacked rather than the post, but I suppose my attitude didn't help.
Apologies if I was misconstrued, but I simply help, point out how your logic and your play is bad/wrong.... Not trying to be a moany Joe, just trying to educate.
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ok..we agree 2 disagree,,,the post was well ment,,but so open to attack,,,if you swim in pond ya better watch yer back,,,,,,,,cause if ya dont,,some xxxxx is going ta xxxx ya right up
------------ ok..we agree 2 disagree,,,the post was well ment,,but so open to attack,,,if you swim in pond ya better watch yer back,,,,,,,,cause if ya dont,,some xxxxx is going ta xxxx ya right up
hmmm,,,is that french ok wee ya admin.......cause if it aint xxxxx xx
sorry i spelled that wrong xxxx xxx
Edited by ArcticCorsair (26 April 2008 @ 02:45 GMT)
