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*********** # 13 ************** PokerStars Hand #87742246000: Tournament #627495986, $4.00+$0.40 USD Hold'em No Limit - Level XVI (350/700) - 2012/10/16 8:53:04 ET Table '627495986 80' 9-max Seat #8 is the button Seat 1: nulltore (5122 in chips) Seat 2: Raymund2468 (20471 in chips) Seat 3: Teevs69 (20535 in chips) Seat 4: Extort10n (12590 in chips) Seat 5: baddada123 (10482 in chips) Seat 6: wluczykij8 (9944 in chips) Seat 7: trist385 (4780 in chips) Seat 8: jirigeorgurb (13048 in chips) Seat 9: Hock€rzocker (7245 in chips) nulltore: posts the ante 85 Raymund2468: posts the ante 85 Teevs69: posts the ante 85 Extort10n: posts the ante 85 baddada123: posts the ante 85 wluczykij8: posts the ante 85 trist385: posts the ante 85 jirigeorgurb: posts the ante 85 Hock€rzocker: posts the ante 85 Hock€rzocker: posts small blind 350 nulltore: posts big blind 700 *** HOLE CARDS *** Dealt to Raymund2468 [9c 9h] Raymund2468: calls 700 Teevs69: folds Extort10n: folds baddada123: folds wluczykij8: folds trist385: raises 3995 to 4695 and is all-in jirigeorgurb: raises 8268 to 12963 and is all-in Hock€rzocker: folds nulltore: folds Raymund2468: calls 12263 *** FLOP *** [7s Ah Jh] *** TURN *** [7s Ah Jh] *** RIVER *** [7s Ah Jh 2h] *** SHOW DOWN *** Raymund2468: shows [9c 9h] (a flush, Ace high) jirigeorgurb: shows [Qh Ad] (a flush, Ace high - Queen higher) jirigeorgurb collected 16536 from side pot trist385: shows [Qd Ac] (a pair of Aces) jirigeorgurb collected 15900 from main pot trist385 finished the tournament in 818th place *** SUMMARY *** Total pot 32436 Main pot 15900. Side pot 16536. | Rake 0 Board [7s Ah Jh 2h Kh] Seat 1: nulltore (big blind) folded before Flop Seat 2: Raymund2468 showed [9c 9h] and lost with a flush, Ace high Seat 3: Teevs69 folded before Flop (didn't bet) Seat 4: Extort10n folded before Flop (didn't bet) Seat 5: baddada123 folded before Flop (didn't bet) Seat 6: wluczykij8 folded before Flop (didn't bet) Seat 7: trist385 showed [Qd Ac] and lost with a pair of Aces Seat 8: jirigeorgurb (button) showed [Qh Ad] and won (32436) with a flush, Ace high Seat 9: Hock€rzocker (small blind) folded before Flop
------------ whats your move on that? raise on early position or fold when they shoved all in? it's already almost ITM,
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just call in early position and fold when someone raise and another one shove ( 2 raiser), normally I play like that. exception if i have strong feeling or know 99 is winning card of that day ( delusion, eh. but many time working well for me )
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I think you call EP was not bad, looking for the set probably. I wouldn't call the allin tho with 99, but it depends alot of the information you have on the players. Do you use any hud to share info about them? Most of the times when 2 people go all in, one of them will have a better PP, was not the case but still, almost ITM i would wait for another day!
You could have reraised/shove EP but that's usually a bad move, like it shows here, since for sure the other 2 would call. They played that **** very agro tho imo.
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ye. but they where always go all in before that hand and their kinda tight and passive player, calling stations, and i thank and search them about their win rate, poor win rate, but luckly have ace on board. pft! yeh i should have folded that hand, it really annoyed me on that hand, pft! should have min-raise on my part, calling is not a right descision i guess.
------------ don't have any HUD. maybe you can share me some?
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well you can try holdem manager 2, it has a free tryout for 1 month i think, and its really nice specially for mtt. I think it's a must have for someone, atleast to try it and see if it helps your game, i think it does alot tbh because it makes you think in a more analitic way about yout opponents and not only on feeling. But did you get ITM at that one?
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ye i tried pokertracker 4 but it already expired on a free trial. but il take your advice im gona use holdem manager 2 maybe tomorrow. ) ye. HUD is very important though, when i used PT4 got my leaks and help me improve my game. didn't get ITM though got only around 9 BB shove it with KTsuited. my opponent has JJ, busted out. but thats alright theres still another day to play though
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Only 2 hearts out that could hurt you and you could probably get a read by the way other players were betting after the river. I'm skeptical on this just because the Q and 10 of hearts are potentially in soemone's hand. I'm also not good at evaluating these type of posts.
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i'm too bored to read the hand history in this format, but looking quickly at it it looks like someone raised (by going all in with relatively small stack), then someone went all in with the bigger stack? raise and reraise in front of you, and you sit with a decent stack with nearly itm? i would fold 100% of the time, no point in calling and risking more than half of your stack- better wait until you're safe itm and then attack
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After that action preflop you need to fold, very bad call. The limp from EP isn't the worst, although you need to realise you're often just bleeding chips by doing this, because quite often you'll be raised and then SHOULD be folding.
Small-medium hands are awful hands to call allins with - they're great to shove allin when you're short and have some FE - but they're definitely -EV when you have no fold equity (such as when calling).
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Hi. Your early position raise was a good move, but then you were done by the smallish stack going all in which prompted the big stack to come over the top. you really should have asked yourself two questions. Do i think i am winning here and even so, do i want to put my tourney life on the back of a pair of 9's. you should have folded! never mind? dont get upset but learm.
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ye. they have the same hand. ACE QUEEN OFFSUIT. it's really kinda pissed me off though. should have pot size bet in order to let them know that i have a hand. tsk.
------------ I'm having problem downloading HEM2. duno why. it's very a big file, 108MB. you guys have another source to download it ?
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While you had the stack there, i thing you shouldnt have called. If it was against one player you had more chances, but when you get raise, reraise, the best think is to fold the 9's. At least thats what i would have done.
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use your brains :
your bigstack before the hand, the call preflop is acceptable (fold was also acceptable) A second player goes allin (he s lowstack and has less than 7 BB) if the other s would have folded a call is acceptable with your pocket 9s BUT another raises till more than 50% of your stack --> so you should fold and just loose the 700 chips of your call
If he had just called the lowstack I would also have folded.
Your pocket 9 s are only valueble when you hit a set, to win as highest pair is very unlikely versus 2 players. Even if the lowstack his allin was just called I would have folded
got only around 9 BB shove it with KTsuited. my opponent has JJ, busted out. 
