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In a prievious thread i commented on certain players if not a lot of players slagging ab,,,,no doubt the had the sick potripper scandel in mind and why not,,,,,,,,,,,so anyway I had a go at AB,,,,,dam you had me believieing you first three 10$ stgs 2 bad beats on river 1 bad call,,,,,dam,,,,,,,,,,my son wont be happy,, its his account , lol,,,anyway just won my first stg ,,, Stage #1158375228 Tourney ID 1858094 Holdem Single Tournament No Limit $100 - 2008-04-22 08:05:59 (ET) Table: 21229116 (Real Money) Seat #1 is the dealer Seat 1 - PHOENITION ($3160 in chips) Seat 3 - ARCTIC1979 ($5840 in chips) PHOENITION - Posts small blind $50 ARCTIC1979 - Posts big blind $100 *** POCKET CARDS *** Dealt to ARCTIC1979 [9d 8d] PHOENITION - Calls $50 ARCTIC1979 - All-In(Raise) $5740 to $5840 PHOENITION - All-In $3060 ARCTIC1979 - returned ($2680) : not called *** FLOP *** [3d 3h 10h] *** TURN *** [3d 3h 10h] *** RIVER *** [3d 3h 10h 2h] *** SHOW DOWN *** PHOENITION - Shows [5d 7d] (One pair, threes) ARCTIC1979 - Shows [9d 8d] (One pair, threes) ARCTIC1979 Collects $6320 from main pot *** SUMMARY *** Total Pot($6320) Board [3d 3h 10h 2h Jd] Seat 1: PHOENITION (dealer) (small blind) HI:lost with One pair, threes [5d 7d - B:3h,B:3d,B:Jd,B:10h,P:7d] Seat 3: ARCTIC1979 (big blind) won Total ($6320) All-In HI $6320) with One pair, threes(nine kicker) [9d 8d - B:3h,B:3d,B:Jd,B:10h,P:9d]
on AB,,, and sorry boys its the same shait as all the rest,,, so suck it up,,,,during this post i just won another 10$ so son might not kick my asss,,,,, his own fault for leaving it on auto log in,,,,anyway,,,,,same cards same game,,,AB keep it i will stick to the site i know ,, but had to try after it got so much abuse,,,gl all
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Posted by ArcticCorsair: In a prievious thread i commented on certain players if not a lot of players slagging ab,,,,no doubt the had the sick potripper scandel in mind and why not,,,,,,,,,,,so anyway I had a go at AB,,,,,dam you had me believieing you first three 10$ stgs 2 bad beats on river 1 bad call,,,,,dam,,,,,,,,,,my son wont be happy,, its his account , lol,,,anyway just won my first stg ,,, Stage #1158375228 Tourney ID 1858094 Holdem Single Tournament No Limit $100 - 2008-04-22 08:05:59 (ET) Table: 21229116 (Real Money) Seat #1 is the dealer Seat 1 - PHOENITION ($3160 in chips) Seat 3 - ARCTIC1979 ($5840 in chips) PHOENITION - Posts small blind $50 ARCTIC1979 - Posts big blind $100 *** POCKET CARDS *** Dealt to ARCTIC1979 [9d 8d] PHOENITION - Calls $50 ARCTIC1979 - All-In(Raise) $5740 to $5840 PHOENITION - All-In $3060 ARCTIC1979 - returned ($2680) : not called *** FLOP *** [3d 3h 10h] *** TURN *** [3d 3h 10h] *** RIVER *** [3d 3h 10h 2h] *** SHOW DOWN *** PHOENITION - Shows [5d 7d] (One pair, threes) ARCTIC1979 - Shows [9d 8d] (One pair, threes) ARCTIC1979 Collects $6320 from main pot *** SUMMARY *** Total Pot($6320) Board [3d 3h 10h 2h Jd] Seat 1: PHOENITION (dealer) (small blind) HI:lost with One pair, threes [5d 7d - B:3h,B:3d,B:Jd,B:10h,P:7d] Seat 3: ARCTIC1979 (big blind) won Total ($6320) All-In HI $6320) with One pair, threes(nine kicker) [9d 8d - B:3h,B:3d,B:Jd,B:10h,P:9d]
on AB,,, and sorry boys its the same shait as all the rest,,, so suck it up,,,,during this post i just won another 10$ so son might not kick my asss,,,,, his own fault for leaving it on auto log in,,,,anyway,,,,,same cards same game,,,AB keep it i will stick to the site i know ,, but had to try after it got so much abuse,,,gl all
further to my remarks on ap!! not ab,,,,we all know who am talking about,,,,I am up 80$ in 3 hours,,,,sure it might go bust but thats not the point,,,,the reason i post this is in reply to all the derogatory remarks about the site,,,and yes after potripper whocan blame the comments,,,but!,,, been there and its the same random number generator same beats same players, well slightly worse i woulsd say but only played 10 games so that might to small a sample,,,,,what i find is that if you want a game the turbos are always there,, but the normal games take more time to fill up,,,so what does that tell ya,,,,,,,anyway ,, ap,,vc,,, cd,,laddies,,sky,,poker time,,,,,whatever,,,u guys who are slagging the ap, fine,,,,i really dont care as i said in the past i play 1 site mostly,,,, but dont slag off ap because of slime in the past,,,bad beats are easy to find easier to blame on something else,,,you got the evidence of potripper 2 let me see it,,,,,if not save yer s**t for the box
Edited by ArcticCorsair (22 April 2008 @ 15:51 GMT)
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Yes AP has the same fish and donkeys as anywhere else and the bad beats are the same as any other online crap site. Im playing on my $50 i got from pokersource. Its on $92 now, but comon, the bad beats are insane.. What is it with online poker? Is people really so bad they think they can bluff every hand?
However, i do understand people who cannot trust AP cuz of the potripper some time ago. That is one reason i dont believe in FT, they caught several bots in there.
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ok,,,fair enough,,,but the the post was directed at certain whingeing losers who for the sake of giving breath whinge about any bad beat they can think of and blame it on luck or cheaters ,,,,,,,,I only went there 2 make a point ,, if i had lost a few dolars doing it ,,,kaysara,,,but i did not,,,,so,,,,,,bye they way,, I just dropped 40$ on ap ,, it must be a fix,,,
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stick to the freerolls on those sort of sites, thats what i tend to do that way i dont end up getting to stressed when i get robed, keep up the good work old chap and have a cup of PG lol
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no offence m8,,,,but if you read my prievious posts you will get my drift about freerolls,,,,,,,,so waht exactly was yer point,,,the thread was directed towards online cheating,,,,,,or as i would prefer to say the padoc theory,,,which is basically , they are all out to get me!!!!!,,,,,,and i am the best player in the univerese,, its just those pokerripper accounts that fook me up,,,,,,,anyway gl
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After reading Kahnawake gaming comission conclusion about potripper scandal at AP i think that at this moment it is the safest place to play poker. I dont play there at all, never opened account there. Kahnawake fined AP with some amount, i think $200,000 or even more and they are randomly checked by gaming comission on AP expense ofcourse. This will last for 2 years as i remember, maybe 1 year, and even more will they be subject to reandom checks. Kahnawake gaming comission said that potripper scandal was not AP`s fault when it comes to cheating itself, but what they did wrong was they tried to cover it up. There is a link on Kahnawake gaming comission site with details if someone is interested.
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extremely sick hand!!! who goes allin with 5 7 off suited and who calls allins with a 9 high!!! it makes me think that is the guy who called a somekinda sick man or something
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Posted by tormulainen: extremely sick hand!!! who goes allin with 5 7 off suited and who calls allins with a 9 high!!! it makes me think that is the guy who called a somekinda sick man or something
ha,,,,for a start my hand was 89 diamonds and i went all in i didnt call you think it was a bad move all in,,,hmmm,,,fine I didnt really exspect a call but wasnt worried if i got it, I had outplayed him during the game and was confident I would beat him and heads up its aggression that wins heads up not siting waiting for ak ,,,,
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Emmmm are you serious mate? I don't think anyone was questioning the integrity of AP's RNG. There are no more sick beats there than anywhere else. Your HH shows absolutely nothing.
Also you say that you don't believe that the POTRIPPER scandal happened? wtf???? Google it and watch the video of that tournament. It's been proven and admitted. There were also other guys using superuser accounts at the same time as POTRIPPER apparently. Nobody apart from retards blame beats at micro on some POTRIPPER2.
I posted saying that I would never play on AP out of principle. The guy that was central to that scandal was some major part of AP operations. How tf can you trust a company whose executives/whatever post he held are that bent, and that this can happen on. The company never even made a statement to the public about this. Out of principle, I would never play there.
Edit: I don't have very good principles though....
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dont know where your coming from ,,, I know all about potripper and fuckonlinepoker is a better site to read about it I certainly never said it never happened,,,I was on about the numerous accusations about AP,, as far as i am concerned its just another site with the same bad beats as the rest ,, every site ive played on you get the same s**t in the chat,,this is a fix this sites crap,,,played 20 games yesterday on ap,,,,,all the same ,,,,,the site i play on is a better site in my opinion but all the critics of ap are just having a go with no evidence apart from maybe bad runs or cold decks....if anything i would say AP would be a site that definately wasnt a fix as after the scandel of ripper they are under such scrutiny,,,,,
I just had a good read about the AP scandal about seeing the hole cards. Really interesting, don't think I want to play there anymore, anyone know if the guys doing it were ever caught?
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if you go to **removed** site there is a story there,, legal actions still in the pipeline as far as i know,, but on the site are a couple of short videos that are interesting and there front man replies to the claims made that he was involved as well,,, **removed**
short quote from **removed**
""Absolute Poker scandal breaks out revealing two high ranking management personnel used a super-user account that allowed them to see the hole cards of their opponents to take hundreds of thousands of dollars off of other players. Reports surface that this may have been going on for longer then originally thought, and maybe up to 7 million was stolen from players over three years. The pro face of absolute poker, Mark Sief, blatantly lies to the poker community repeatedly trying to cover up the scandal claiming its simply impossible to think that is possible, despite overwhelming publicly available hand history proof that cheating occurred.""
""All the details may never fully come to light as Absolute has tried to hide the truth and may have been able to hide important information, but with an ongoing investigation by the well respected gaming commission the entire truth may eventually come out. Scott Tom and AJ Green have not been arrested and are probably in hiding, as many players, company investors, and others hold serious grudges against what they did.""
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Edited by ArcticCorsair (24 April 2008 @ 11:41 GMT)
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Posted by Predobar: After reading Kahnawake gaming comission conclusion about potripper scandal at AP i think that at this moment it is the safest place to play poker. I dont play there at all, never opened account there. Kahnawake fined AP with some amount, i think $200,000 or even more and they are randomly checked by gaming comission on AP expense ofcourse. This will last for 2 years as i remember, maybe 1 year, and even more will they be subject to reandom checks. Kahnawake gaming comission said that potripper scandal was not AP`s fault when it comes to cheating itself, but what they did wrong was they tried to cover it up. There is a link on Kahnawake gaming comission site with details if someone is interested.
poor old ap again how can you say that it wasn't there fault they knew about the cheating a long time before it was exposed and choose to do nothing and hope the problem goes away. any decent trustworthy reputable poker site would of dealt with the problem as soon as it happened not wait for the lid to be blown of the scandal and then do something to save there reputation. worst thing of all they knew who had been victims of this cheating and done nothing to compensate these players then decide to once it was out in the open. but lets face it ap will recover from this as they have so many backers SHAME ON YOU AP
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Kahnawake gaming comission said that potripper scandal was not AP`s fault when it comes to cheating itself, but what they did wrong was they tried to cover it up
Kahnawake said it not me.
worst thing of all they knew who had been victims of this cheating and done nothing to compensate these players
I read somewhere that they paid a lot of money to players back some six months before that famous tournament. There were more tournaments in which potripper played. Thing is that they never went public with all tournaments and cash tables where potripper played. As i remember not a single cash table was mentioned. I dont know where i found this, maybe on site which that guy who got busted in the famous last hand, i dont remember anymore but if you search the topic you will come across first hand experience about reimburstments (sorry if i misspelled this).
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Posted by Predobar:
Kahnawake gaming comission said that potripper scandal was not AP`s fault when it comes to cheating itself, but what they did wrong was they tried to cover it up
Kahnawake said it not me.
worst thing of all they knew who had been victims of this cheating and done nothing to compensate these players
I read somewhere that they paid a lot of money to players back some six months before that famous tournament. There were more tournaments in which potripper played. Thing is that they never went public with all tournaments and cash tables where potripper played. As i remember not a single cash table was mentioned. I dont know where i found this, maybe on site which that guy who got busted in the famous last hand, i dont remember anymore but if you search the topic you will come across first hand experience about reimburstments (sorry if i misspelled this).
check the link out number 5 of the report by kahnawake. ap only reimbursed players after it became public knowledge. ap has never said they have reimbursed players before else that would of been a big plus on there side to disclose this to the investigation which they clearly never. all in all ap knew about it and done nothing to remedy the situation at the time they waited for it to blow up in there face then come out of there corner claiming there gonna do the right thing in my book they should of done the right thing before they ended up with s**t on there face. maybe they were not responsible overall but they must except some blame for doing nothing about it sooner ok lets say this scandal was never uncovered do you really believe in a million years that they would of ever said anything about it. easy answer no why would a company put there name on the line for something that nobody knows about except them and something that could ruin them?? not really good business for a company that rakes in million upon millions of pounds
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if by AB you mean absolute poker, the sites not rigged, people can just see your HOLE CARDS! im pretty sure I lost 60$ one day in 3 back to back 20$ headsup games to some donk. first game he raises 300, 600 900 chips over and over, but when i got JJ he folded his bb. he ended up beating my KK with AA, my JJ with QQ and then the last game he was being pushy so finally i call JK vs his QK and it came up QQ K. its possible to win money on there, but im guessing you have to watch out for suspicious people. btw the guy won something like 40 of 47 hands the first game, 20 of 25 the second, and 15 of 18 in the 3rd
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all ap knew about it and done nothing to remedy the situation...
I totally agree with that. They #$%#$% up big time with that.
btw the guy won something like 40 of 47 hands the first game, 20 of 25 the second, and 15 of 18 in the 3rd
Copy paste the history and look at it again if you still think this is suspicious, watch his pocket cards are they always strong or does he choose crap sometimes and win etc... that kinda stuff, first send email to support and if they dont do anything about it for some time email thoe hand histories to Kahnawake. Or if you really think there is something more to it email to Kahnawake first . Next penalty for AP is termination of license and seizing of their safety deposit which they had to make and some more in fines. bla, bla, bla. But make certain that you have backup copies of hand histories before you do anything. I once emailed a support on site that is actually supported here about disconnections and during the next time i logged in they erased the hand when i was disconnected and every hand after that one. Unfortunately i didnt make a backup copy. Now i do it even if everything is ok. When i log out, program files/????/hand history "copy/paste".
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Hey just so you know, that Kahnawake reserve doesn't give 2 shits. They are the richest indian reserve in Canada for a reason. They allow poker sites to get their license from them, and allow the sites to hide behind them. I once emailed absolute poker about the allegations of people seeing hole cards, they forwarded me to that reserve. one blog showed a tourny hand history where a player showed one of these players absolutely running a table. something like 100+ hands 10 handed where the player won 80% of hands. they responded by saying they'd never heard about it. WHICH WAS COMPLETELY UNTRUE! THEY DID INVESTIGATE, AND FOUND NOTHING WRONG. i also heard their software system is run out of Costa Rica, and that players who could see others' hole cards were also from Costa Rica. be careful is all I can say.
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If Indians dont care then go public, but make certain you do go through official channels and read T&C entirely before any public anouncements so you dont get caught in some lawsuit. That percentage you pulled out is totally out of normal boundaries if he was playing average game, there are aggressive players who raise everyhand and get lucky when they get called so their stats can show that high percentage of wins but it is something really worth looking into. Try pulling the stats with hands he showed his hole cards. How many overall and how many of those won. If stats are still high its really weird. Those maniac aggressors are rare in real money tables but its internet and there are lots of lunatics. One more thing about Kahnawake, truth is that they did not found anything suspicious done by the AP and they say that it was entirely players fault. Potripper could see the hole cards but not with the help from the inside and they fined AP because it did not react like it should and tried to cover things up. Which is BS because potripper account was dormant for some time as well as the observers account. Not to mention that observers account holder is a person who was 2nd in command at the AP or something like that but high position in company. So how does someone from AP is allowed to have account at their site anyway. They should be fined or have their license terminated for that only. That account was 2 years old when this happened and guy left that position in AP some year and a half ago. So account was made while he was still at the AP. Who knows how many accounts like that exists on every poker site because it is strange to see people calling in tournaments which are not free or have big guranteed prizes (MANSION) and they keep calling with crap hands and making 4 cards straights and flushes. What i do know when this starts to happen is, confront them and i dont care how crazy it may sound when i say that, but straight into face question " Are you playing for the house?" and "Im keeping this hand history for evaluation" usually gets them to sitout after a few hands. Example, $10,000 guaranteed tournament on Mansion, free or $1 buyin cant remember exactly, 80% of the players are sleepers and im sitting with only one player playing im raising with strong to mediocre hands if i dont hit the flop i fold and thats it. There always blinds to steal and if i hit the flop i get rid off the one person who is playing. After some 6 or 7 wins and players out, i get moved to another simillar table, only one player playing, and that guy keeps calling with 5-2, 9-2 and such and making straights and flush regularly. I ask him bla, bla, bla. and he sits out after 3 hand. So im alone at the table for few hands taking blinds and another sleeper comes and starts playing the exactly same way as other guy was playing. Crap cards that wins. Is that suspicious, oh yes. My activities on mansion are at this time, checking the casino for daily lotto
$6320) with One pair, threes(nine kicker) [9d 8d - B:3h,B:3d,B:Jd,B:10h,P:9d] 
. Next penalty for AP is termination of license and seizing of their safety deposit which they had to make and some more in fines. bla, bla, bla. But make certain that you have backup copies of hand histories before you do anything. I once emailed a support on site that is actually supported here about disconnections and during the next time i logged in they erased the hand when i was disconnected and every hand after that one. Unfortunately i didnt make a backup copy. Now i do it even if everything is ok. When i log out, program files/????/hand history "copy/paste".
