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i thought all play in fixed limit should be played as short stack poker, i dont often see hands that get to be bigger than 20 big blinds per person in the middle anyway, that pretty much means that regardless of you stack size you are really playing sss if you get my drift

     
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Santinos if i were u i would delete this post... surprised how long we can read this post here. did u ever thought about if any meber of them report u there and u get ur acc denied? or get urs denied here cause of merchandising?

normally i would have written u a private mail but i guess it is not possible...


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SCDossett i dont play fixed limit. only NL hold´em. in FL i dont get payed my strong hands and every donk calls his draw than u loose topset against the nut flush or idiot-straight cause u couldnt protect... i cant tell much about FL, but for sure there r advantages...

- e.g. u can get cheap cards for ur own draw.
- u cant loose much money(FIXED Limit) but win much cause of Fullring.


perhaps one day i ll try it.(when downswing arrives me or sth. like this) ; (

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SCDossett i dont play fixed limit. only NL hold´em. in FL i dont get payed my strong hands and every donk calls his draw than u loose topset against the nut flush or idiot-straight cause u couldnt protect... i cant tell much about FL, but for sure there r advantages...

- e.g. u can get cheap cards for ur own draw.
- u cant loose much money(FIXED Limit) but win much cause of Fullring.


perhaps one day i ll try it.(when downswing arrives me or sth. like this) ; (

Edited by noobyfish (28 April 2008 @ 22:48 GMT)


     
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Ah so you mean Ed Millers thing?? Its not exactly private or exclusive to some sites lol!

Yeah at micros you can make money with this thing, but its pretty high variance. Once you move up to .50/1 or above its gonna get very hard to have an edge in the game cos you are so predictable. Your range is set in stone so it lets your opponents play perfectly against you.

SSS is basically training wheels. It teaches you how to play when you do not have the chance to make big mistakes, as you are only 20BB deep. Its impossible to make huge mistakes as you're not deep enough to. There is no turn or river play.
However, you are playing against retards at these stakes mostly. You will have an enormous edge over them, particularly on the turn and river. I don't understand why anyone that plays mediocre or better would use SSS. You're just giving away your massive edge.
Also, if you are playing against decent players, you will have no edge, or a negative edge, as your range is defined so well.


To sum it up, SSS is a teaching tool to help you learn. If you want to progress and be able to beat any decent level you're going to have to full stack.

     
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50/1 or above it doesnt work u mean?; )

i know a few ppl who play this SSS at NL5K successful...

i can only tell that this strategy is very good... may be u will play only breakeven, but u will claim ur bonus for sure.

for sure a big stack strategy is more successful perhaps, cause u can play more hands and have more "ammunition" for protecting ur hands but SSS is very heavy to beat.

     
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Why do you wanna protect your hands????? Thats some seriously flawed mindset there. Your reasons for playing deep are way off also.

Yeah people shortstack 5kNL and turn a profit, but there are very very few of these. They also don't follow Millers very rigid rules. To beat this level you have to balance your range properly, which Millers strategy doesn't. And from reading a few of the good HSNL shortstackers posts, they mostly used to play fullstacked, but figured there was a niche for shortstackers.

I didn't say at .50/1 or above it doesn't work. I said your edge is pretty tiny. The best shortstackers at .50/1 and above have winrates <2ptBB/100 long run. Most decent fullstackers have wr <10ptBB/100 at this level. Obv decreasing the higher you go for both.

I didn't deny it can make you money. I just said that if you are better than your average opponent, shortstacking is losing you value. Why would you say no to increasing your edge? Cos if you have an edge in the game this is increased by having more money at the table basically, as each mistake your opponent makes costs him more $. If you feel you aren't good enough to beat the games fullstacked, then sure go ahead and shortstack. But if you can, not fullstacking is costing you $$$$.

     
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Posted by tommygunne:
Why do you wanna protect your hands????? Thats some seriously flawed mindset there. Your reasons for playing deep are way off also.

Yeah people shortstack 5kNL and turn a profit, but there are very very few of these. They also don't follow Millers very rigid rules. To beat this level you have to balance your range properly, which Millers strategy doesn't. And from reading a few of the good HSNL shortstackers posts, they mostly used to play fullstacked, but figured there was a niche for shortstackers.

I didn't say at .50/1 or above it doesn't work. I said your edge is pretty tiny. The best shortstackers at .50/1 and above have winrates <2ptBB/100 long run. Most decent fullstackers have wr <10ptBB/100 at this level. Obv decreasing the higher you go for both.

I didn't deny it can make you money. I just said that if you are better than your average opponent, shortstacking is losing you value. Why would you say no to increasing your edge? Cos if you have an edge in the game this is increased by having more money at the table basically, as each mistake your opponent makes costs him more $. If you feel you aren't good enough to beat the games fullstacked, then sure go ahead and shortstack. But if you can, not fullstacking is costing you $$$$.



SSS does not pay off in the end if you are good player, it can work if you hit and run though however, like some do 25/50

half buy in is a decent way to play aswell, dosent always have to be the full buy in.

Imho starting with 50 and buying in for 6 instead of 10 to a table is a big deal and gogo multitables.

     
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Posted by zaikon7:SSS does not pay off in the end if you are good player, it can work if you hit and run though however, like some do 25/50
Exactly, this is true. Nowadays there are so many donkeys who will play against you with a crappy hands and beat you with two pairs on river... I played SSS for a while but after my high pairs got beat by retards playing hands like J4 and flopping two pairs or trips all the time, I decided to abandon SSS and have been doing better ever since...

     
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WELL PLAYING ON THE turn because i think that overbetting is sometimes the right thing to do because it makes opponent really think that would that guy bluff with his whole stack

     
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Im not a big fan of the SSS, depends what site you play on to be honest.. Its hard to play on some sites because of the players on there.. It aint really worked for me, but goodjob on your behalf!

     
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shortstack: very high variance, very dangerous, only for microlimits

     
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