Only logged-in members can vote!
→ Click here to create a Mob account which gives you access to our forum and all our free bankrolls (no deposit bonuses) → Log in to existing account!
Joined: Feb '09
Location: Netherlands
Age: 54 (M)
Posts: 175
EDIT: I know all this sounds conceited and an attack on your personal character and maybe it is. But you can either ignore all of this, like 99% of rigtards do and continue to find irrational excuses as to why you're still losing your money.
OR - and this is it mate - you can actually see this for the wake up call that it is - I've taken 10 minutes out of my time right now, to write this down, for you, so you can get a little perspective, from a winning player too ( I can back that statement up by the way, with verifiable results - in the 5 figures). I'm reaching to you - telling you online poker is a real tough beast to get ahead of - and if you want to do it, this is how to do it: Stop making up excuses for yourself, ADMIT you're not a winning player and from there - the skies the fucking limit.
You make a lot of assumptions mr Jess the human You got a cristal bol or are you a shrink?
I only say that something on 888poker is not right and i stopped playing there. Now your stats on pokerstars are not that great i see (mostly-human) Maybe its time you get of your high horse and stop assuming about me or my play and focus on your own. You say i keep crying but where do i cry? i got a feeling that you think your smart and you know it al Let me help you out your dream Mr winning player. your biggest profit was 714 dlr and that was a 1 time deal. the rest is pretty normal to have such a big mouth and to start preaching if you ask me And that are no assumptions but reality. Stop assuming you know who i am and how much i win or lose !
Joined: Apr '09
Location: Australia
Age: 40 (M)
Posts: 6483
I only just started playing on Stars, I played on PKR - look me up on shark scope, or here - I'll post my MTT graph... My PKR user name is same as on BRM: jessthehuman
I knew you were going to ignore everything I said and take a stab at me 99% of the r-tards to. I won't bother saying anything else to you, other than as I already said, I'm a winning player for a 5-figure amount, if you've read much of what I've posted on here you'd know my site of choice is PKR not stars, I've only just started on stars.
------------ I don't pretend to be a professional player - read everything I write, I'm a self confessed degen. But I'm not losing player either and I know what I'm talking about. You on the other hand are a RIGTARD: Somebody who makes ridiculous claims about the sites being set against them without providing any evidence (let alone proof) to actually back up your claim. Just another losing fish in a sea of losing fish. GG buddy.
------------ 42 years old and you even gave my post that I took 10 minutes out to write for you a : Seriously, when I'm 42years old if I'm even quarter as immature and lacking in accountability as you are, I'd just about want to top myself.
Edited by jessthehuman (29 January 2013 @ 15:49 GMT)
Joined: Feb '09
Location: Netherlands
Age: 54 (M)
Posts: 175
the one hand example i gave you made you atack me and assume that you think im a losing player so your right !! There are no Robots Online ! And all the players that get runner runners or bad beats are fish Good luck Mr winning player
Joined: Apr '09
Location: Australia
Age: 40 (M)
Posts: 6483
Posted by erik1970: the one hand example i gave you made you atack me and assume that you think im a losing player so your right !! There are no Robots Online ! And all the players that get runner runners or bad beats are fish Good luck Mr winning player
Fantastic straw man argument. I never said there are no bots online, of course they are. But I don;'t think bots are what you think they are.
And yes, I think you're a losing player.
------------
Posted by erik1970: And all the players that get runner runners or bad beats are fish
Never said that either, you're just making straw man arguments, pathetic.
Anyway - claiming your a losing play due to bad beats is just weak - it's variance, we all get bad beats mate. You just need to put in enough volume to balance out you EV. Put in a few hundred thousand ands and your EV line should be pretty close to your actual profit/loss line. Over a smaller sample, yeah of course you're going to have down-swings where you go through periods of getting out-drawn, not hitting your own draws, etc - you'll get up-swings to. So fucking what.
If you wanna make a real argument about rigged sites, or unbelievable runs of bad beats, then actually post a significant sample sized that you've analysed. Also - I DO think you're a losing player, care to show me otherwise? Or you just another one of those guys that crushes live poker? But can't beat online because it's rigged?
------------
Posted by erik1970: the one hand example i gave you made you atack me and assume that you think im a losing player so your right !!}
I attacked you because you claimed 888 was rigged and you provided nothing to support your case, EXCEPT a single HH - which is worse than pointless, it just discredits you simply because you actually seem to be implying that a single HH means anything at all...
------------ OH - you know what, the reason I "bite" when people make claims about sites being rigged etc, without actually showing any significant evidence let alone proof is this:
I lost quite a bit of money in my first year or two playing online poker.. It took a LOT of effort and study and time and strategy to actually turn my graphs around and become a winning player.. And you know what, not only wasn't it easy, but I NEVER blamed the sites, or the lucky fish or anyone or anything else for my game / my losses. I took it like a man, accepted I wasn't as good as I thought I was and set about to become a better player.
So when I see someone, especially a 40+ year old man, being a weak-ass bitch and taking no accountability and instead blaming a site, I find it offensive - because it;s kind of like saying my achievements ain't s**t - because you're really just as good, if not better than me, it's just that the site is rigged, or whatever. Instead of acknowledging the skill and effort it take to actually beat this game, you just claim you can't beat it because it is fixed against you. Like I said, I take offence because it IS offensive.
Edited by jessthehuman (29 January 2013 @ 16:13 GMT)
Joined: Feb '09
Location: Netherlands
Age: 54 (M)
Posts: 175
""So when I see someone, especially a 40+ year old man, being a weak-ass bitch and taking no accountability and instead blaming a site, I find it offensive - because it;s kind of like saying my achievements ain't s**t - because you're really just as good, if not better than me, it's just that the site is rigged, or whatever. Instead of acknowledging the skill and effort it take to actually beat this game, you just claim you can't beat it because it is fixed against you. Like I said, I take offence because it IS offensive."" you are working at 888poker you idiot? you are atacking me simply becouse i say something weird is going on there you dumb clown. google 888poker rigged and you will find plenty of proof that its a crap site. and now if spent enough time on your childish behaviar ( because it;s kind of like saying my achievements ain't s**t) your probely one of those gays that go alin with 38 ofs and beat aa aks qq kk
Joined: Apr '09
Location: Australia
Age: 40 (M)
Posts: 6483
Posted by erik1970: google 888poker rigged and you will find plenty of proof that its a crap site.
What do you mean I WILL FIND PLENTY OF PROOF? WIll I? When? You a fortune teller or something? Where is the proof I will find?
You rigtards always make dumb statements like this, instead of proving your stupid theory, you just claim there is proof, without actually providing any.
Posted by erik1970: your probely one of those gays that go alin with 38 ofs and beat aa aks qq kk
Joined: Mar '11
Location: Canada
Age: 44 (M)
Posts: 1490
Posted by erik1970: your probely one of those gays that go alin with 38 ofs and beat aa aks qq kk
Well duh, those hands are only 87% favorite to win vs ANY 2 cards, so they are going to lose at least 13% of the time. Funny thing is, in poker there's this little thing called equity. A concept donks and rigtards don't seem to grasp. You should be GLAD there are people willing to ship it in with 38o, because 87% of the time you will get their money.
That means if you flip 1000 times, for $1 a flip, you will win a whopping $870, and they will only win $130. Of course you have to allow for variance, ie: the concept that sometimes even if you're 87% favorite to win a flip, you can still lose 100 times in a row because it's mathematically possible. But in the long run, you WILL be a winner in that scenario, it's pure and simple math.
Joined: Nov '11
Location: United Kingdom
Age: 46 (M)
Posts: 102
read my other thread
------------ explain this, your in a 42 dollar sng 500 start chips you get upto 1740 then u get disconnected u cant log in yet i can log in with another profie so log out and try to log in again but wont let me until game is over, i was listening to a internet radio station with no breaks 888 tell me if it was a fault from my end , it wasnt . no way
Joined: Mar '11
Location: Canada
Age: 44 (M)
Posts: 1490
Posted by gmgm: read my other thread
------------ explain this, your in a 42 dollar sng 500 start chips you get upto 1740 then u get disconnected u cant log in yet i can log in with another profie so log out and try to log in again but wont let me until game is over, i was listening to a internet radio station with no breaks 888 tell me if it was a fault from my end , it wasnt . no way
Why were you playing a $42 hyper turbo? You realise that you need at LEAST 100 buyins to play those right. If not more if you suck. Which I'm guessing you do. Also, proof or it didn't happen.
Joined: Nov '11
Location: United Kingdom
Age: 46 (M)
Posts: 102
im aware of these statistics i beat slots proffesionally i have common sense a level maths and 3 years at 888 and the stats u say u should see sadly u dont its not like that at all so dont make me out to be some kind of moron, and not all the games are rigged just high value ones or occasionally bad beat after bad beat when the rng would like you 2 deposit, the only way 888 gets away with it is riding on that chance element in life, afterall wouldnt u like someone u can trust to investigate these sites and give you a better assesment of it being fair? and not a third party of the government that recieves huge royalties from that firm which they investigate
------------ i had bank roll of 842 i cashed 800 , i didnt want to play there anymore is that ok
------------ are u some kind of a fucking troll, wheres ur fellow brm member respect
Joined: Apr '09
Location: Australia
Age: 40 (M)
Posts: 6483
Posted by gmgm: im aware of these statistics i beat slots proffesionally i have common sense a level maths
LOL
Awesome. You BEAT slots professionally? You what?! Man - "beating slots" and "common sense" and "understanding maths" don't all add up buddy. Keep it up, but.
------------
Posted by gmgm:
are u some kind of a fucking troll, wheres ur fellow brm member respect
Respect isn't implicit, it's earned.
Edited by jessthehuman (30 January 2013 @ 11:38 GMT)
Joined: Mar '11
Location: Croatia
Age: 43 (M)
Posts: 1738
Posted by gmgm: read my other thread
------------ explain this, your in a 42 dollar sng 500 start chips you get upto 1740 then u get disconnected u cant log in yet i can log in with another profie so log out and try to log in again but wont let me until game is over, i was listening to a internet radio station with no breaks 888 tell me if it was a fault from my end , it wasnt . no way
Rigged claims aside, that is indeed very strange. Not wanting to start a fuss or anything, are you sure it happened exactly like so? did you try to restart your PC in the meantime?
Joined: Nov '11
Location: United Kingdom
Age: 46 (M)
Posts: 102
Posted by RoninHarper: G'day mate
I am curious about two things here.
The first thing I want to know is how much did you lose and on what type of hand. Was it a bad beat, a suck out, or perhaps you played a hand poorly and so someone made a mistake thinking they was ahead and then caught a miracle card drop to win or what exactly happoned to warrent your outburst. The second thing I would like to know is just who this watch dog group you are referring too is?
Be cool and good luck in the future.
Ronin
bbc watchdog and my bankroll was 842 i cashed 800 played a 42 sng 6 seat superturbo 500 start chips got 2 1740 and got disconnected during the disconection which ended same time as i was ko'd i was able to log in as someone else but not on my own profile with live game active 888
Posted by erik1970: you are working at 888poker you idiot? you are atacking me simply becouse i say something weird is going on there you dumb clown. google 888poker rigged and you will find plenty of proof that its a crap site. and now if spent enough time on your childish behaviar ( because it;s kind of like saying my achievements ain't s**t) your probely one of those gays that go alin with 38 ofs and beat aa aks qq kk
Actually, I don't play there, but 888 has a pretty good reputation and good trafic. If you want to prove that it's rigged, you're gonna need a huge sample of hands because probabilities are what they are... But I'm pretty sure if something was wrong with the random number generator some regulars who play thousands of hands per week would've found out already.
RNGs are pretty simple TBH. Each card in the deck is assigned a number, and each number has the same chance to be drawn... Also you have to think objectivly, why would a poker site as big as 888 try to rig the RNG? There's just no point to taking such a big risk, since they make money on the rake of every hand/tourny regardless of who wins or loses.
Just take a look at any poker forum, there's always frustrated people who just lost with a dominant hand at an important moment crying. But to me, that's just bad luck. Fact is, it's better to be lucky than good. But you know, in some polarised situations, a good player can "make" his own luck because he thinks he has good fold equity. Bad players don't even have reads most of the time, they just shove cause they feel like it.
Edited by TheMachineQC (30 January 2013 @ 13:04 GMT)
Joined: Nov '11
Location: United Kingdom
Age: 46 (M)
Posts: 102
Posted by lukasb:
Posted by gmgm: read my other thread
------------ explain this, your in a 42 dollar sng 500 start chips you get upto 1740 then u get disconnected u cant log in yet i can log in with another profie so log out and try to log in again but wont let me until game is over, i was listening to a internet radio station with no breaks 888 tell me if it was a fault from my end , it wasnt . no way
Rigged claims aside, that is indeed very strange. Not wanting to start a fuss or anything, are you sure it happened exactly like so? did you try to restart your PC in the meantime?
no if i could log on as someone else there is no need too the speed of the sng meant i could not do a restart as it takes around 3mins to do so, just one more thing 2 thinkabout there is a player called trueteller he is always ready to play in high cash games 247 365 never sleeps always wins and never speaks? how can this be so?
------------ its designed to make u deposit your beats are always bad and over dramatic especially in rebuy period
------------ im not crying im on about selective disconections
------------
Posted by jessthehuman:
Posted by gmgm: im aware of these statistics i beat slots proffesionally i have common sense a level maths
LOL
Awesome. You BEAT slots professionally? You what?! Man - "beating slots" and "common sense" and "understanding maths" don't all add up buddy. Keep it up, but.
------------
Posted by gmgm:
are u some kind of a fucking troll, wheres ur fellow brm member respect
Respect isn't implicit, it's earned.
pub slots
------------ i manipulate software to beat the odds
------------ i know what an rng is if u go to bookies and see some guy playing roulette and he is betting 10 on red if u put 5 on black and push start at same time u will both get the same number you will find u will win alot more than him as its an rng its an excuse that a chance is random when its actually not its acually softmade made to make u spend and create excitement, but i suppose this is another paragraph of voodo nonsense i dont care tbh ive been manipuating slots for over 15 years and made a career from it im not rich but i never struggle, my point is slots are there to take ur money but its just software and can be beaten if u play the side games on poker slots even they let you win straight away to get u involved and spending , when u push start on a slot and say roll 3 cherries in its not chance its software teling it 2 put 3 cherries in, and i believe that you who think im talking garbage will also believe the cherries landed by chance. the poker rng weighs up many variables based on the variables of who is most likely to deposit i feel you will get a fairer game if u have 2000 or so in bankroll as the deposit factor will be eliminated which i shall try now i wonder is this why u only play 1 percent of your bankroll if u stick to bank roll management manuscripts and i look like im a fool because it dosent happen to you, however in my event yesterday it wasnt a bad beat it was blatent theft
Joined: Nov '11
Location: United Kingdom
Age: 46 (M)
Posts: 102
Posted by djpremier: You might wanna google that guy trueteller ... pokestars and fulltilt also have a robot with the same screenname
at last someone with an open mind, yes that trueteller takes down all the big cash games and rarey loses dosent sleep or chat hmmmmm, greycat mk2 id say, and stars was rigged just check on u tube all them cheating methods wrote into the program to give staff ways of sucking out your hard earned cash.
------------ one more thing im not a losing player its just every time i get a chance to take a big step forward the door is slammed in my face
Joined: Feb '08
Location: United Kingdom
Age: 35 (M)
Posts: 1886
Posted by gmgm: explain this, your in a 42 dollar sng 500 start chips you get upto 1740 then u get disconnected u cant log in yet i can log in with another profie so log out and try to log in again but wont let me until game is over, i was listening to a internet radio station with no breaks 888 tell me if it was a fault from my end , it wasnt . no way
To be honest I do believe this might have happened. I too have been playing a tourney and lost connection when my internet seemed to be working, not on 888 but on another site. It's incredibly annoying when the software doesn't seem to let you log in but when you do eventually get back on the tourney seems to have finished without you.
I would like to get some info on why this happens (maybe cookies or bad software) but I do not think the poker sites do it deliberately. You seem to be implying that the poker site would benefit from certain players winning, that other players in the tourney were favoured by the site. But repeatedly losing connection is one thing that is sure to lose players from the site. The poker site wants to increase traffic to increase rake. Also if this was a programmed tactic, it wouldn't just happen to one person in one tourney, what would be the point of programming such a specific selection tool, to knock out one player. There is no way the site bosses would make such a decision without knowing how much their profits would increase by, at the risk of being caught or having it leaked by employees.
Joined: Apr '09
Location: Australia
Age: 40 (M)
Posts: 6483
Posted by gmgm:
Posted by lukasb:
Posted by gmgm: read my other thread
------------ explain this, your in a 42 dollar sng 500 start chips you get upto 1740 then u get disconnected u cant log in yet i can log in with another profie so log out and try to log in again but wont let me until game is over, i was listening to a internet radio station with no breaks 888 tell me if it was a fault from my end , it wasnt . no way
Rigged claims aside, that is indeed very strange. Not wanting to start a fuss or anything, are you sure it happened exactly like so? did you try to restart your PC in the meantime?
no if i could log on as someone else there is no need too the speed of the sng meant i could not do a restart as it takes around 3mins to do so, just one more thing 2 thinkabout there is a player called trueteller he is always ready to play in high cash games 247 365 never sleeps always wins and never speaks? how can this be so?
------------ its designed to make u deposit your beats are always bad and over dramatic especially in rebuy period
------------ im not crying im on about selective disconections
------------
Posted by jessthehuman:
Posted by gmgm: im aware of these statistics i beat slots proffesionally i have common sense a level maths
LOL
Awesome. You BEAT slots professionally? You what?! Man - "beating slots" and "common sense" and "understanding maths" don't all add up buddy. Keep it up, but.
------------
Posted by gmgm:
are u some kind of a fucking troll, wheres ur fellow brm member respect
Respect isn't implicit, it's earned.
pub slots
------------ i manipulate software to beat the odds
How am I the only one fascinated by this claim? Is this not setting off alarm bells for anyone else? Come on! This guy is claiming to BEAT the pub slots.. In the same breadth as he is crying about losing $42! I mean, which is it?!
------------ So tell me, how do you 'manipulate the software' and by all means, go into technical detail, I am a software programmer.
------------
Posted by awood88:
Posted by gmgm: explain this, your in a 42 dollar sng 500 start chips you get upto 1740 then u get disconnected u cant log in yet i can log in with another profie so log out and try to log in again but wont let me until game is over, i was listening to a internet radio station with no breaks 888 tell me if it was a fault from my end , it wasnt . no way
To be honest I do believe this might have happened. I too have been playing a tourney and lost connection when my internet seemed to be working I would like to get some info on why this happens (maybe cookies or bad software)
I can tell you why it usually happens (The reason you lose connection to a poker site and not other Internet applications)
Poker sites don't use regular ports, all Internet traffic is routed through ports. Basically - for whatever reason you lose the route through to that specific port. On PKR it's especially annoying as they use different ports for every different table and it's not uncommon to be 'disconnected' just from one or two tables while another 6+ are running fine.
Without going into more detail regarding how networking actually works, the things you can do to prevent this are:
Find out what ports and protocols the poker site you play on uses, then:
Set your poker playing computer to STATIC IP address, then log into your router and set up port-forwarding (this is probably the most important thing) : you then forward all internal and external ports through to your computers IP (the one you set statically) . People with VoIP phones are probably familiar with this process, likewise those how use remote access software behind a NAT (and the NAT is what is making the connection drop is most cases, btw).
Once you have your port forwards set correctly - you should also prioritise the poker traffic in any way you can, generally under a router heading of QoS (quality of service).
Lastly - and this one isn't always feasible but it's worth checking that your ISP doesn't use certain QoS rules that drop non-HTTP traffic during peak times, or anything like that. Sometimes they'll randomly block or limit common P2P ports as well.
Regarding OPs specific issue: that he lost his connection on HIS account only - most likely for whatever reason, the port he was logging in through was dropped - so if he really was able to log in with another account - then it would have opened a NEW connection via a different port. Restarting his router probably would have fixed the problem, also as he mentioned, this is tricky in hyper-turbo games. At any rate - it wouldn't have been the poker site trying to steal his $42 lol.
Not that he'll believe a word I am saying, clearly anyone thinking they are beating the pub slots really aren't that bright (unless you geniunely have a way to reprogram their software - but holy s**t to they put safe guards against people being able to do this, seriously can't wait to hear your claim buddy).
At any rate: my point is networking is actually complicated engineering, it's not magic. Set your network addresses to static addresses and use correct port forwarding and QoS options in your router and I guarantee you'll see a lot less problems.
------------
Posted by gmgm: i know what an rng is if u go to bookies and see some guy playing roulette and he is betting 10 on red if u put 5 on black and push start at same time u will both get the same number you will find u will win alot more than him as its an rng its an excuse that a chance is random when its actually not its acually softmade made to make u spend and create excitement, but i suppose this is another paragraph of voodo nonsense i dont care tbh ive been manipuating slots for over 15 years and made a career from it im not rich but i never struggle, my point is slots are there to take ur money but its just software and can be beaten if u play the side games on poker slots even they let you win straight away to get u involved and spending , when u push start on a slot and say roll 3 cherries in its not chance its software teling it 2 put 3 cherries in, and i believe that you who think im talking garbage will also believe the cherries landed by chance. the poker rng weighs up many variables based on the variables of who is most likely to deposit i feel you will get a fairer game if u have 2000 or so in bankroll as the deposit factor will be eliminated which i shall try now i wonder is this why u only play 1 percent of your bankroll if u stick to bank roll management manuscripts and i look like im a fool because it dosent happen to you, however in my event yesterday it wasnt a bad beat it was blatent theft
Damn, I kind of skipped over this wall of text before, just read it properly now. Sadly your claim just went KAPUT! As somebody who actually understand slot machines, this obviously isn't correct. They don't need to do anything like this: They're already fixed with an edge, generally very favourable to the house, like 80%, although this can actually be adjusted - allowing for"good" days like 90% etc.
So it turns out your "manipulating" the software is nothing special at all - you're just another crazy degen slot-addict - heard all your crap before from ALL the other losing slot players. You think you're the first idiot to have thought up these ways of beating slots? Just about every slot degen out there has come up with this nonsense as well and of course it doesn't work, because it's utter crap.
Which comes back to why you are still crying about losing $42 (FWIW I've lost over $2,000 before in single hands due to disconnections to poker sites, where the rest of my Internet was still working. But as somebody who actually understands networking, to a degree, I didn't go crying to the site)..
Edited by jessthehuman (31 January 2013 @ 00:17 GMT)