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Posted by my_bankroll: the guy who owns ft and pokerstars ----> PokerStars had to promise that its founder Isai Scheinberg would step down as a director of the company. Scheinberg, a former Canadian executive with IBM, is one of three facing outstanding criminal charges and is said by the US authorities to still be at large. Two years ago was charged in the US with five offences of variously committing bank fraud, money laundering and online gambling offences. Reputedly resident in the Isle of Man, but with strong links to Israel, he faces a maximum of 65 years in jail.
------------ lets all trust this criminal on the run and deposit our hard earned money on his poker sites
surely the integrity will be 100% all above board right )
------------ good luck to you ice queen.... i have a feeling your gonna need it
lol ok sunshine.
That man, Isai Sheinberg - is the only reason anyone got any of their money back after black friday. The fact he ran Poker Stars so well, that he was able to pay the USA DoJ huge fines and still pay back ALL of the USA players from Stars and ultimately payout everyone on FTP as well.
Yeah, he's a "crook" because he continued to accept USA business on Stars, I didn't hear any poker players calling him a crook then.
The guys who ran FTP are crooks and deserved to be treated as such, they were touching players money and when it all went upside down they didn't have the player funds to pay anyone back. Isai Scheinberg SAVED everyone who would have otherwise lost their FTP money, so have a little fucking respect.
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I believe the truth was that he had no choice but to pay, or he would be behind bars. I would bet he was victim of bad timing and lack of due diligence, no way was he a modern day Robin hood. No more then an expensive late 11th hour effort to save his own hide and you are twisting this into a walt disney super hero flick. We will never really know what or who motivated that effort and who cares, if you want to sit on the porch with the big dogs then you better learn to sleep with one eye open. Are we so nieve to really think that millions of dollars handeled on private unregulated server farms would be honest and straight forward. Comeon get a wiff of the coffee and shake your head once or twice.
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Posted by Buggsy: I believe the truth was that he had no choice but to pay, or he would be behind bars. I would bet he was victim of bad timing and lack of due diligence, no way was he a modern day Robin hood. No more then an expensive late 11th hour effort to save his own hide and you are twisting this into a walt disney super hero flick. We will never really know what or who motivated that effort and who cares, if you want to sit on the porch with the big dogs then you better learn to sleep with one eye open. Are we so nieve to really think that millions of dollars handeled on private unregulated server farms would be honest and straight forward. Comeon get a wiff of the coffee and shake your head once or twice.
I'm not calling Isai a hero or comparing him to Robin Hood. But the fact is, it is because he ran Poker Stars with integrity that the site survived the MASSIVE blow from the DoJ and people were able to recover the money, but not only that - he was able to bail out FTP.
Now- obviously he's done all this for his own benefit and the benefit of Stars/TILT
Regardless, it still shows he was able to run his company well enough to survive Black Friday, despite UB/AP going under and FTP going under. And there continues to be 100K+ people online at Stars at any given time because it has shown itself time & again to be reputable and trustworthy. It is the SINGLE most trusted online poker site.
To make insinuations that it's rigged, with zero evidence, despite it being put to the test countless times and the fact it's the most trusted site and there are huge winners on there.. it is beyond belief to think they've fixed their RNG, why on earth would they? Do you even comprehend the type of rake/profit they're seeing from the traffic they have on Stars/Tilt combined?
Their daily income would probably last most people a life time.. Why on earth would the risk all that, just to fix the RNG to make punks like OP lose in a freeroll? That is just retarded.
What is more, FTP was ran by 'crooks' and even a site that was ran by crooks and pulled apart by the DoJ was NEVER found to have rigged their game. So suck it, suck it hard.. right down your throat and choke on the results. loser.
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Posted by JWRowell: Jess, you just cant argue with a Rigtard .
Lets be honest, If they think something thats been tested over 7 times rigorously is rigged, it's a waste of time even replying..
Yeah, but I like to think that perhaps there are other people reading, new players - who are still able to think rationally. So I concede, I'll never convince a rigtard, they don't use logic and reason in their arguing, nor do they properly understand its principles (the scientific method for example, is utterly lost on them) - so i get that, they're irrational and paranoid, I can't convince them they're not insane. But the voice of reason should STILL be given, at least so newbies can read more than a bunch of rigtards spewing their retarded nonsense on all the forums.
My own theorie about that huge plot against you is that those two site ( pokerstar and fulltilt) must be the 2 main poker site where you play. Seem to you like your always loosing and there's no way to win but do you really remember all those winning hand or are you stok on the bad session memories? Running bad had is and will always be a part of the game whatever the platform is. Draw aren't always sign of winning, especially in omaha...
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there cant be situation , where everybody is losing, every round has winner. so i guess in the end better players win and not so good lose. just dont live on denial, i know im losing player, so you should accept the fact , that you are too.
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Posted by jessthehuman:
Posted by JWRowell: Jess, you just cant argue with a Rigtard .
Lets be honest, If they think something thats been tested over 7 times rigorously is rigged, it's a waste of time even replying..
Yeah, but I like to think that perhaps there are other people reading, new players - who are still able to think rationally. So I concede, I'll never convince a rigtard, they don't use logic and reason in their arguing, nor do they properly understand its principles (the scientific method for example, is utterly lost on them) - so i get that, they're irrational and paranoid, I can't convince them they're not insane. But the voice of reason should STILL be given, at least so newbies can read more than a bunch of rigtards spewing their retarded nonsense on all the forums.
Very true, like to see someone keeping the faith!
Ive played on Stars for 3-4 years. They couldn't do anything more to justify how fair their software is.
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I have arguments with Jess and others in the past before about this. And i must say my_bankroll is right that JesstheHuman always jumps in to these threads and starts attacking and most of the time insulting the people who think its rigged. Even when a hand history looks right there are still many other ways they CAN steal your cash.
I played A LOT online poker especially a few years ago and i have won tournaments and have had some good results with cash games...but i also lost a lot I think i have good experience with most sorts of poker and other online gambling. WHY i dont play as much poker online anymore is because i am not convinced even after a few million hands that its not rigged....Strange things DO happen..
Thats why i wanne step in for my_bankroll because i been i his place before and got attacked.
I DO think he has valid points and of course you cant proove this as a normal person....thats what they always ask...do you have proof ?...give us proof !! NO no proof just experience should tell you if something isnt right..
Thats why i only play a little poker online and not for much money anymore
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Posted by remco2504:
I DO think he has valid points and of course you cant proove this as a normal person....thats what they always ask...do you have proof ?...give us proof !! NO no proof just experience should tell you if something isnt right..
Complete b******t. Given the sample size not to mention to extreme complexity of the analysis required to tell if a site is rigged, the mere fact you think you can tell just 'from experience' and not a proper mathematical/scientific analysis is evidence enough you have no fucking clue.
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Posted by jessthehuman:
Posted by remco2504:
I DO think he has valid points and of course you cant proove this as a normal person....thats what they always ask...do you have proof ?...give us proof !! NO no proof just experience should tell you if something isnt right..
Complete b******t. Given the sample size not to mention to extreme complexity of the analysis required to tell if a site is rigged, the mere fact you think you can tell just 'from experience' and not a proper mathematical/scientific analysis is evidence enough you have no fucking clue.
I didnt expect anything less from u.. Just wanted to give my_bankroll some support.
I will do a mathematical/scientific analyse on a few hundred accounts and then i will get back to you with the results...
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If tou keep having failure in one site, you can always choose another one. With so many sites out there, it is certain you will find one, that you can win
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Posted by my_bankroll: Would like to know if there's any winning players on that piece of s**t site full tilt ..... at least when Howard and the gang robbed us they did it blatant these pokerstar fks are sticking the knife in our backs and smiling in our faces...
Played Omaha cash and in a 1 hour session didn't win a hand ..did flop 6 nut flush draws and 5 up and down draws tho ) missed every one takes my hat off to scheinberg for being such a dude and bumming us all without even applying lube .... hmmm wonder why the traffic dropped from 9k down to 3k )
I very much doubt you played enough hands in 1 hour to flop 6 nut flush draws and 5 up and down draws and even if you did and you missed them all that will happen. Omaha is a high variance hugely equity based game which takes a far larger sample then NLH to prove realistic win rates. I don't play serious volume in PLO as I win more in NLH but I am massively below EV in the games with tons of 70%+ 200bb equity losses. Is the site rigged or am I unlucky? No.. it is just realistic and anybody who IS RUNNING AT EV OR BETTER is RUNNING _VERY GOOD_.
The reason people say sites are rigged is because they get marginally unlucky in standard spots over small sample sizes yet when they win hands with their 38% equity or whatever they just think they are the next Phil Ivey.
Sorry bro - doesn't matter what site you play on it just sounds like you are a fish. GL in life.
well i first clicked on ths hoping to see some sort of proof that these sites were rigged but the more i read the more i am convinced they are not. i play everyday 10 mabey 15 games not including freerolls and sure i have lost pocket aces to some ridiculas calls like yesterday for instance i had pocket aces guy raised all in everyone folds i call he has 42 off suit i should win but... flop comes A35 :O savage but this can sometimes happen no matter what you have got pre flop if your gonna go all in 1v1 its a 50/50 chance your gonna win
Posted by karmie: I don't play serious volume in PLO as I win more in NLH but I am massively below EV in the games with tons of 70%+ 200bb equity losses. Is the site rigged or am I unlucky? No.. it is just realistic and anybody who IS RUNNING AT EV OR BETTER is RUNNING _VERY GOOD_.
The way I understand it, if you are running below All-in EV, you were unlucky on average in all-in situations, and if you are running above All-in EV, you were lucky.
Over large samples of hands, your All-in EV should be near your actual winnings/losses, even if you go all-in with crappy hands (it's just that you'll be most likely in the losses category, if you do).
If I've been losing money (like I did last week), I check my all-in EV graph, to have an indication if it was just bad luck/variance. In my case my all-in EV graph for last week was equally crappy, so I chose to blame myself for this, and check my hand history for where the leaks might be.
If on the other hand, my all-in EV is good, while losing money, I might be more inclined to be patient, and let things work out by themselves.
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takes my hat off to scheinberg for being such a dude and bumming us all without even applying lube .... hmmm wonder why the traffic dropped from 9k down to 3k 
