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Does any mobster use a HUD? If so which one and on what stakes? I'm thinking about getting pt4 for $60. I have $120 in my moneybookers account that I'm looking to invest in something that will help my game. I will need to get the money over to neteller somehow first tho any suggestions?
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Posted by uno1Bomber: I use Holdem Indicator Very simple and easy. Works good at fТР but Pop ups is not works at Stars. (actually not problem)
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dunno about that- i always thought that with trackers u only buy yourself a bunch of graphs and...even more graphs. not sure they can make u a better player though, if that was the case 99% of players would jump in to purchase them. maybe i'm just a pessimistic loser though. so don't take my opinion deep
I've used HEM and HEM2 ever since I started playing a few years ago.
I remember seeing a video of some pro going on about them being so useful, but that it takes some time and effort to get used to them. So I thought, while I'm still learning, I might as well learn about HUDs at the same time...
What I like about them is the stats on you opponents (obviously). E.g. I often see people with mediocre starting hands, play back at someone with a PFR of 4%, that just opened the pot, and thinking "he's in for some trouble", and indeed he ends up having AA, KK, QQ or AK...
Also after the hand is done, it is displayed a bit longer than the poker client does, so you have more time to study what just happened, and you get to see the mucked cards (which in the poker client is only available when you use the "view last hand" feature).
And last (but possibly not least), it's useful for reviewing sessions where you played bad, or review some opponents that gave you particular problems, in order to device a strategy against them (and make a note about them).
Oh, and since you've changed to 6-max cash games, I recommend you read "Harrington on online cash games 6 max no limit holdem". Much of it is devoted to interpreting the HUD, and devising strategies against common HUD statistics.
my opinion: HM/ HUD PTR and so on is total overrated...
ok, for some things it may be helpful (look good comment of marquis above ).., bt i dont think , that you really need it on micros or small stakes ...so it depends in my eyes , what stakes you want to play...
including unfortunately myself, i see a lot of people with very good Holdem Manager stats (vpip/pfr/steal/contibet /AF/ wts andf so on ), and they lose much times and much session and much "idiots" with vpip of 75 or higher win like hell in special session, esspecially in fixed limit holdem you see without exception every day every session such donks, winning , and you and me with your knowledge and skill and good stats lose too much times...
ok , long run the idiot with vpup mof 75 will lose, bt what helps notes or HUD in this special session ? or making notes on this player ?
next day the next idiot with vpip of 80 take your money with pur bingo play ..lol
so in the whole...i am sorry... i think HUD and HM stats are total overrated...
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Has been discussed here before the thing about transferring between ewallets, but didnt see any solution to it. If you have money in you Neteller for a minimum deposit into a site, try depositing first with Moneybookers, and then with Neteller. After that request a total cash out to Neteller. It might work.
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Posted by Mober: Has been discussed here before the thing about transferring between ewallets, but didnt see any solution to it. If you have money in you Neteller for a minimum deposit into a site, try depositing first with Moneybookers, and then with Neteller. After that request a total cash out to Neteller. It might work.
yeah i read something about doing that. I might give it a shot!
@marqis Thanks a lot for all info bud! really appreciate that. I think i will look into this more. I could always go down the route of getting a free one
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Hey all, I have just withdrawn $60 from my pokerstars account to neteller without having to make a deposit through neteller first Happy days So will probably go ahead and buy pt4 as they accept neteller payments where hem2 don't.
Thanks for everyone's input. I really appreciate it
------------ Downloaded PT4 on the free trial and it says it might not work properly because my comp is a piece of sh1t so I have just bought a 2gb RAM upgrade for $38 using my virtual neteller mastercard You can use the card on whatever site accepts mastercard payments (pretty much every site then ) and there is no fee's Neteller is amazing. Why have i not done this before Oh and the site I bought the RAM from converted my shopping card to USD (its an English company) so no exchange fees So I should get my memory either Wednesday or Thursday I hope I'm not just trying to polish a turd tho Good luck me
------------ PT4 just got uninstalled Gave me a headache couldn't get the stats to line up with the actual players. Plus I couldn't see what people were betting. Think I will stick to the old school way of "paying attention" lol
Oh and exactly one hour later I got e-mail confirmation to say my order has been dispatched Great service! mrmemory.co.uk
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Hey man why don.t you use hem2 ? Free for one month and if you like you can buy it or you can use for free monthly but you need to reinstall your windows.
Posted by bullettooth1: PT4 just got uninstalled Gave me a headache couldn't get the stats to line up with the actual players. Plus I couldn't see what people were betting.
Oh, I seem to have failed to warn you about the headache. I usually do, because the headache is pretty much standard issue. There is no way around that.
I also usually mention that your results will initially suffer a bit, due to this headache. It's not the actual lining up of the players with the stats (that is easily solved), as much as the statistics themselves. It's a huge information overload, that is detrimental to your game, until you get used to it. You can expect that to take months...
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Have you really noticed the fees that Neteller has now for FX currency trades. It is up to 2.95% now. So if you are not careful with the sites using it, they will start trimming your money.
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Yeah! Got my 2gb ram yesterday! How much better is it? I hear you ask: No clue, my hard drive fooked up lol Bought a new one yesterday from eBay tho, £28 hopefully it will come today. If not it should be here tomorrow. Lets hope for no more problems
Posted by bullettooth1: Does any mobster use a HUD? If so which one and on what stakes? I'm thinking about getting pt4 for $60. I have $120 in my moneybookers account that I'm looking to invest in something that will help my game. I will need to get the money over to neteller somehow first tho any suggestions?
Thanks a lot and good luck on the felts
Hii bullettooth1
I still have an old version of Hold'Em Manager Small Stakes version which you can upgrade for just 23,82 Dollars to the new version of Holdem Manager 2 Small Stakes and since I have stopped playing poker a long time ago i could give you this old version of Holdem Manager for free if you are interested....but don't know how i could sent you the details!?
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Posted by HsH80:
Posted by bullettooth1: Does any mobster use a HUD? If so which one and on what stakes? I'm thinking about getting pt4 for $60. I have $120 in my moneybookers account that I'm looking to invest in something that will help my game. I will need to get the money over to neteller somehow first tho any suggestions?
Thanks a lot and good luck on the felts
Hii bullettooth1
I still have an old version of Hold'Em Manager Small Stakes version which you can upgrade for just 23,82 Dollars to the new version of Holdem Manager 2 Small Stakes and since I have stopped playing poker a long time ago i could give you this old version of Holdem Manager for free if you are interested....but don't know how i could sent you the details!?
that's a very kind offer bud but I wouldn't know how you would go about transferring it. I think I'm going to leave it for now anyway. Just until i can afford that Dan Harrington book anyway Really appreciate the offer tho
any suggestions? 
Happy days 
) and there is no fee's 
Neteller is amazing. Why have i not done this before 
lol 
