Joined: Feb '08
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Well recently on DoylesRoom.com I went from $50 to $700 in about 3 or 4 days. I started at $0.10/$0.20 pl omaha and bought in for $20 left with $50 in about 3 hours. Then wen to a $.10/ $.20 nl holdem bought in for $20 left with $0. So I was a little upset with losing a buy in I went kinda tilting, took a $50 br to a $0.50/$1 nl holdem and there I just went on fire. In one night I was at $400. Next night staying at the $.50/ $1 and went from $400 to $600. Just last night I did the same thing $600 to $700. On all these tables you could spot the player bluffing and if you reraised hed fold. It was so easy, and still is. I was thinking its alot harder at the micro stakes than the higher stakes.
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Micro limits are the hardest to get some money. Way too many donks. You cant bluff them and they call with nothing. It is practically coin flip every hand you get called. My opinion at least. Never played high stakes but ive noticed that once you go over the low limit tables it is much easier to play. Just look at the players per flop percentage. Micro limits are around 50% or higher and once you go up in the limits it gets smaller and finally it stops around 20% for full table and 30% for short handed. You cant control the hand in low limits, only if you had few consecutive big wins then they start to respect your raises but you still get 3 or 4 callers preflop.
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I don't think that if you are losing at a limit than you should move up but it worked for you I find that good players can make good laydowns so maybe you have to adjust your game against the low limit players.
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Adjusting is a must, but it is not real poker game it is more playing the cards. Dont tell me that you never got your allin called by someone who is holding AK or AQ when there is no A or Q/K on flop or even turn. And after i have read certain post i have began to wonder about opponents abilities to read the board. They sometimes overbet their hands and if you don`t have stronger one there is nothing you can do. Lets say your opponent has 3-4 and board comes 5-6-7, you cant bluff him for higher straight, no way. Not to mention when they try to bluff on river when river does not improve hand at all. And once they make that raise they will call because they feel "pot committed". Hardly will these thing happen once your over, it varies from site to site but lets say 0.25/0.50 could be some average where you can expect normal game to be played. Still you can encounter donks but it is much less likely.
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I think GeneYuss is hittting the nail. A good player will adapt to the level/game he's playing where a less good player will play a certain way no matter what his opponents are doing. And by allways playing the same game you will get best profit (BB/100) at the game where your style fits best instead of adapting your game to fit at the certain game.
So I think that the competition gets harder the higher level you play at but for a player that doesn't adapt some levels may be easier than others even though they are higher because his style fits a specific level better than others.
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Could be right what you say or genius, whatever. But i still think that luck is much more a factor of a successful player at lowest limits then it is on higher. How many of you got called with overcards and lost a hand because someone has made a call on you tens and got beaten by runner straights, flushes or bigger pairs in low limits and how often does this happens in higher limits. People could play in higher limits the same way as people at low limits do and same thing would occur but is it the harder or easier to play against such opponents, i say it is harder because if he gets his runner hand it will cost you much more. Sure we all do remember donks going or calling allin with high pair when there is a flush on table but these things are rare and those hands at low limits cannot be controlled like the games at higher limit can be. Donks do not know anything about pot odds and such stuff, they hold up to their top pair like it is the holy grail. So in the end you cant bet them out of the hands unless they are to tight or they dont know the strength of their hand and you must overbet your hand to get them out of the pot. Only successful tactics to earn money is to employ trap too often which is always risky or to be overly aggressive and hope they wont hit better hand. They cant read your cards most of the time and your bluffing that you have a straight, they often see as top pair or low pair, not to mention that at least 1/3 of them are calling stations. I could pull examples but you know what am i talking about here.
Would it be the same to play a hand at lowest limits without looking at your cards?
Joined: Feb '08
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I agree, the luck involved on micro stakes makes it hard to earn some money.I prefer not to play these stakes because i don't want to gamble for a small amount of money.
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Posted by M3turbo: So I think that the competition gets harder the higher level you play at but for a player that doesn't adapt some levels may be easier than others even though they are higher because his style fits a specific level better than others.
M3turbo, well said. By the way, hows your bankroll doing?
I just watched a video on Gus Hansen's website. Gus answers a similar question;
"So my question is if I should step up limits to play against other types of players or should I just stay at my current limit?"
I find that good players can make good laydowns so maybe you have to adjust your game against the low limit players.
