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  7-Sep-13, 10:56   #41
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mascona 

Joined: Jun '08
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WoW, I think , I've to print your answer, Zeroster, frame it and hang it at my wall next to my diplomas !!!! Blink

     
  7-Sep-13, 11:14   #42
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damosk 
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Posted by mascona:
There is a study about the PokerStars shuffle, and it says that half of the time the worst starting hand won when there was a showdown. I think the better starting hand should win more often, even when the hands that could have won folded earlier. So, is PokerStars rigged? The study is here:

www /point/ cigital.com/resources/gaming/poker/


Hi. I thought this was an interesting quote and perhaps an example of how statistics can be used to say absolutely anything you want them to.

It says that

"in 50% of hands, the worst starting hand won over a better starting hand when it went all the way to showdown!"

This may seem tragic, but when you consider the converse you may be convinced to think differently;

"In 50% of hands, the best hand won over a worse starting hand when it went all the way to showdown!"

Are you feeling better already? Of course you are.

But this is poker and players do get hung up on the value of their starting hand when they have allowed it to wallow all the way (without improving) to the showdown!

How dare a pair of TWOS beat a pair of ACES (in the hand) when a 2 has turned up on the board.

The TWOS win because they are no longer merely a starting hand but are now TRIPS....which for those who appear tot hink a pair of ACES in their hand beats everything.......... get ready.....sit down.....they dont!

So! Is online poker rigged?

Not if our agument is that better finishing hands beat our good starting hands.

Its about as rigged as live poker........ it relies on probability so essentially you are saying that probability is a fix!

     
  9-Sep-13, 12:40   #43
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noonlion 

Joined: Mar '12
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the old online poker is rigged chestnut.

slot machines use rngs to determine when it pays out I imagine poker uses a similar engine to randomise all hands across time.

we remember the bad beats and s**tty hands.

another way of looking at the starting hands win 50% of the time is that there are 5 variables (the boards) which can all determine a hands fate. That's a lot of variables.

People are basically just s**t at estimations, probabilities and maths beyond the basic 'I'm a 60/40' shot here because I saw this hand on espn.

     
  9-Sep-13, 12:57   #44
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mascona 

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The actual proof is not so much in the fact of whether the sites are fixed, the real proof is in the way in which poker sites deal and shuffle, thereby creating poker hands that appear to be outside of the statistical norm as opposed to live poker.
First let us examine the ways in which all poker rooms deal and shuffle their cards. Since it is a computerized game, and lacks real human intervention in the shuffling and dealing, they must use a software program to do the job of a poker dealer.

     
  9-Sep-13, 13:08   #45
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noonlion 

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Posted by mascona:
The actual proof is not so much in the fact of whether the sites are fixed, the real proof is in the way in which poker sites deal and shuffle, thereby creating poker hands that appear to be outside of the statistical norm as opposed to live poker.
First let us examine the ways in which all poker rooms deal and shuffle their cards. Since it is a computerized game, and lacks real human intervention in the shuffling and dealing, they must use a software program to do the job of a poker dealer.


Obviously. There's not a warehouse of Chinese people determining your hand on PS.

The key thing is I guess that software as we all know can be altered and changed. So the potential is there to 'rig' hands but I doubt it happens on 99C rebuy frenzys for $500 top prizes let alone anywhere else. Certainly not by the sites themselves.

People have very s**t memories for random events. If AA loses 4x in a row its '888 is rigged'. In actual fact over all the AA hands dealt out in an hour on a pokersite, plenty will lose. It is within the realms of odds that this will happen. People love an excuse to moan about their loss, illusion of control in effect.

     
  9-Sep-13, 13:59   #46
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Phisix 

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Its only rigged when I lose, suffer bad beats or im angry. Blink

     
  9-Sep-13, 23:13   #47
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Greenmohave 

Joined: Jan '11
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Of course on-line poker rigged, but not to the degree that most think. If your someone who thinks it's rigged. The truth is unless your playing higher stakes you face the the following rigs daily: Badbeats, Donks, Fish, Chasers and straight up Idiots. Now with that said remember it's not the site that's rigged. It's the players who think they're playing poker.

     
  9-Sep-13, 23:25   #48
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TigerAxL 

Joined: Feb '11
Location: Romania
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They say everithig is possible in poker , i m not sain is rigged .Just think that the dealer is drunk

     
  10-Sep-13, 17:04   #49
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Pjot 
Joined: May '08
Location: Sweden
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I think the OP actually has an interesting theory. There ARE a lot of boneheads claiming that onlinepoker is rigged. And I can swear that they are all losing money.

Has anyone ever heard of a winning player claiming that it is rigged?

Nope.

Am I a winnig player?

Used to be.

Did I think it was rigged?

No!

At the moment I'm not sure if I am a losing or winnig player, so I am not sure wether it's rigged or not.

I belive I am an even-Steven.

So, it might be rigged. But, then again, it might not.


     
  10-Sep-13, 21:42   #50
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sergejcho 
Joined: Jun '13
Location: Macedonia, The former Yugoslav Republic of
Age: 66 (M)
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It's all about u man i think because when u win somebody else is thinking that Platforms are rigged , and the other side too. But i dont think so , i'm improving my game , and the winnings tells about that. I'm more careful now then ever.

     
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