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A fresh new start away from the good and bad memories of my last blog. This time I will be sticking to my BR management tighter and not deviating off it for a higher stake when I reach big money again. As in the last thread I warn of moaning, kicking off and occasional bragging.
Anyway, I have been grinding 0.2/0.4NL all week after I received a nice £60 bonus from last months worth of rake back, so I had been spared from depositing again and a nice BR to start with. Sadly I needed £40 of it after I had hit £69 so it went back down to £29. Last night I managed to grind my ass back up to £41 so for now I have a safe bankroll for this stake and that is where I am going to stay until I have enough bankroll for the next step and away from these 24/7 donks and callers.
Goals:
£100 [ ] £200 [ ] £500 [ ] £700 [ ] £1000 [ ]
Extended Goals:
- Move upto stake(0.5/0.10) once I have reached £100 BR - Try an MTT/SNG at least once a week - Win extra amount to buy full Poker tracker
[Deposited this time: £7] [Current Bankroll - £11.80]
Instead of setting myself a massive challenge I will be setting smaller goals. Whenever I reach one of my goals the box next to it will be checked and then onto my next goal.
I am also over my trial for poker tracker so I need to earn an extra £60 so I can the full version at some point. Maybe thats a goal.
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G'day mate
Way to go mate You can do it! Stick to your plan and you will be fine. We can both make some cash using proper Bankroll management. I do not use any HUD software because I do not want to be dependent on anything I could not walk into a live venue with. Some say I am a fool others say I am a purist. I think I have just been to cheap to buy a good one
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My problem last time was staying on the 0.25/0.50NL tables when I should have just stuck to the 0.10/0.20NL as I had more then enough BR for it, but I have learnt from that mistake now. The only problem I have at the moment is having 20 days to hit that 3000 ladbrokes points barrier because that rake back bonus twice a month will come in handy for adding to my bank roll. If I never lost that £400 BR I could have hit the 10,000 barrier and got to the VIP status which gives you a three month grace period, a better rake back bonus and gives you access for VIP freerolls and other decent stuff.
HUD software is not cheating bud, I used it to track my winnings, losses and hand tracking as well as knowing whether the players I had played before were TAGs, Fish or whatever. There is a Poker tracker 4 30 day trial if you are interested.
Going to have a little session now before my dinner is cooked so fingers crossed for some profit and no losses.
Posted by Phisix: ... This time I will be sticking to my BR management tighter and not deviating off it for a higher stake when I reach big money again...
Anyway, I have been grinding 0.2/0.4NL all week after I received a nice �60 bonus from last months worth of rake back, so I had been spared from depositing again and a nice BR to start with. Sadly I needed �40 of it after I had hit �69 so it went back down to �29.
Not sure if I understand this correctly...
0.2/0.4NL has a 100bb buyin of $40. For proper bankroll management you need at least 20 buyins, i.e. $800
I think you mean 0.02/0.04 right? With only $29 I think you should drop down to 0.01/0.02 until you reach $80... Correct me if I'm wrong.
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0.4 not 4. As in £0.4p. So yeah 0.04 sorry.
No I have(or had) £41 which is enough for the stake I am, plus I am playing in euros so every buying only costs me £2.50 instead of £4.
£6 down already due to calling stations. Raise massive with QQ and someone calls with 105d and a flush draw sits so obviously he keeps calling and hits his river card. Going to have a break until tonight or I am going to go crazy. Variance and odds mean nothing on microstakes.
All the best with your new endeavour. If it wasn't for strict BRM on my part, would have to reload very often with money that isn't there atm. Your goals seem achievable, find the slow and steady approach to be quite useful. Sooner play for profit than for points. The points come as they may, and tend to put too much pressure on me too loosen up in the wrong spots. Only ever cleared one bonus, switched to PLO at the lower stakes becoz the points come much quicker. Now, PLO is my game of choice for cash tables. Every now and then will try NLH, it goes so badly wind up switching back to recoup my losses. At both types of tables will use stop loss limits,then, move on to another table when they're reached or exceeded. Can usually find a good table where breaking even and/or showing a profit is possible for the session....not always...most often tho. As far as HUD's are concerned, there are others out there with free trials as well...you may want to give that a try.
Posted by Phisix: 0.4 not 4. As in �0.4p. So yeah 0.04 sorry.
No I have(or had) �41 which is enough for the stake I am, plus I am playing in euros so every buying only costs me �2.50 instead of �4.
Okay I understand, it's just that I'm such a p***y playing way under my bankroll all the time, I completely forgot to wish you good luck...
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Yeah I hear the holdem manager HUD is quite good so I may try that out. I only play with Euros now as I am only buying in with less than if went with £ tables, plus the euro tables always have more players than the £ ones.
I know the money is better than points but staying on gold status gives me the rake back bonus which the one below does not but if I do not reach it I can just get back there in the future once I have enough BR for the next stake up.
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Gl with your endeavor Phisix.. from what i've read it should be very well within your abilities to reach it soon, the only problem being to keep it lol. That's ok as u said it yourself you learned by your mistake so i think you will "wisely" avoid doing the same next time you start feeling the rush or tilt for that matter. Do you have a plan against it btw? i mean, lets suppose u reach £98 and are about to got up a level... then suddenly beat after beat and you drop to lets say £65... it's veryy easy to start to tilt in such a situation and i find it personally very frustrating coz i don't know exactly what to do when that happens... Stop playing for some time... reduce/increase the number of tables you play... what will you try to do if it happens?
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Posted by Phisix: Yeah I hear the holdem manager HUD is quite good so I may try that out. I only play with Euros now as I am only buying in with less than if went with � tables, plus the euro tables always have more players than the � ones.
I know the money is better than points but staying on gold status gives me the rake back bonus which the one below does not but if I do not reach it I can just get back there in the future once I have enough BR for the next stake up.
Thanks guys I need the luck.
sorry mate but your BRM is completely wrong! Don't mean to dash your hopes but until you are able to grasp the correct BRM you won't go far. I know it is very frustrating but if managed properly it can take you a long way
you are not playing the suggested correct bankroll management, here is a table for you
Limit Buy-In Recreational Player Serious Player Professional Player x 10 times x 20 times x 50 times x $0.02 / $0.05 $5 $50 $100 $250 $0.05 / $0.10 $10 $100 $200 $500 $0.10 / $0.25 $25 $250 $500 $1,250 $0.25 / $0.50 $50 $500 $1,000 $2,500 $0.50 / $1 $100 $1,000 $2,000 $5,000
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Posted by lukasb:
Do you have a plan against it btw? i mean, lets suppose u reach �98 and are about to got up a level... then suddenly beat after beat and you drop to lets say �65... it's veryy easy to start to tilt in such a situation and i find it personally very frustrating coz i don't know exactly what to do when that happens... Stop playing for some time... reduce/increase the number of tables you play... what will you try to do if it happens?
I would have stay on the limit I am on instead of jumping up(Experience of doing that before has gone against me) so just grind it back instead of going on a mission to try and get a big win on a higher stake.
@grahamy27:
I don't play on a $ poker site as its either £ or Euros. And I only jump up a stake when I have 20 buy ins or more for that stake. I know how it works as I did it last month making £400 from a £5 start but I jumped and stayed on 0.25/0.50 when I shouldn't have done and lost it all.
Plus I said in the future which means when I have £200 to move up a limit. Then again I play on the euro tables as a full buy in costs half what it would do to me joining the same stake on £ tables.
Thanks for the graphs though they will come in handy.
------------ This is why I hate micro stakes and calling stations. With his raise I put him on a lower pocket pair or cards like KQ or QJ ect.
** Hand # 5033815655 starting - 2013-09-10 23:11:15 ** Turbo: Shuffle 18 - €4 Max [Hold'em] (0.02|0.04 NL - Cash Game) Real Money
Palaniuchuk sitting in seat 3 with €7.45[Dealer] AllinillA sitting in seat 4 with €3.82 Phisix sitting in seat 6 with €3.76 AllinillA posted the small blind - €0.02 Phisix posted the big blind - €0.04
** Dealing cards to Phisix: Jh, Jd Palaniuchuk folded AllinillA raised to €0.10 Phisix called - €0.08
** Dealing the flop: 8c, 7s, 8s AllinillA bet - €0.20 Phisix raised to €0.52 AllinillA called - €0.32
** Dealing the turn: 4h AllinillA checked Phisix bet - €2.08 AllinillA went all-in - €3.18 Phisix went all-in - €1.04
AllinillA shows: 5d, 6c Phisix shows: Jh, Jd
** Dealing the river: 7c AllinillA wins €7.42 from the main pot
If I did calls like that I would lose my BR.
------------ I have come to the conclusion that odds mean nothing in online poker. These callers call big pre flop raises with crap like J4o. Flops with a gut shot for them I raise because I have pocket queens and the odds are so slim to hit the card needed for the straight and they always call and hit. Getting sick of this s**t because they always call and hit.
Posted by Phisix: This is why I hate micro stakes and calling stations. With his raise I put him on a lower pocket pair or cards like KQ or QJ ect.
** Hand # 5033815655 starting - 2013-09-10 23:11:15 ** Turbo: Shuffle 18 - �4 Max [Hold'em] (0.02|0.04 NL - Cash Game) Real Money
Palaniuchuk sitting in seat 3 with �7.45[Dealer] AllinillA sitting in seat 4 with �3.82 Phisix sitting in seat 6 with �3.76 AllinillA posted the small blind - �0.02 Phisix posted the big blind - �0.04
** Dealing cards to Phisix: Jh, Jd Palaniuchuk folded AllinillA raised to �0.10 Phisix called - �0.08
** Dealing the flop: 8c, 7s, 8s AllinillA bet - �0.20 Phisix raised to �0.52 AllinillA called - �0.32
** Dealing the turn: 4h AllinillA checked Phisix bet - �2.08 AllinillA went all-in - �3.18 Phisix went all-in - �1.04
AllinillA shows: 5d, 6c Phisix shows: Jh, Jd
** Dealing the river: 7c AllinillA wins �7.42 from the main pot
If I did calls like that I would lose my BR.
------------ I have come to the conclusion that odds mean nothing in online poker. These callers call big pre flop raises with crap like J4o. Flops with a gut shot for them I raise because I have pocket queens and the odds are so slim to hit the card needed for the straight and they always call and hit. Getting sick of this s**t because they always call and hit.
His call isn't that bad though...
With his OESD, he had about a 30% chance to hit his straight. The pot was $0.92, so his call for $0.32 more was only slightly -EV.
But if you consider the implied odds, of hitting the straight on the turn, it could be hugely +EV, which is what happened.
So, I think the $0.32 reraise was smallish, and the allin on the turn, after a scare card hit, was wrong, besides he may already have a full house, trips or a better pair...
But I guess your point is why he's playing 56o facing a 5BB raise in the first place? I don't know about that... Maybe he noticed you overplay mediocre holdings against possible straights and flushes?
surprised to see a LAG play that hand unsuited...usually they play low connectors suited. He flops an OESD and bets outs and calls the raise. He has figured 7/8/9 isn't in your range becoz if you flopped a monster you'd want to stack him off with a bigger bet. He probably has you on +JJ (10), flush draw +AQs. What you see as a blank on the turn gives him the nut straight with the check he's hoping your packing rockets and they're busted. It's when he goes over the top of you with an open shove...he figures you don't see the straight and your drawing dead....and the saying goes even fish catch hands. Then again maybe he's not a fish....just a LAGy player....unsuited...go figure
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Now i'm not sure what your experience with NL 10 is but 1 buy ins sounds pretty low for that limit, i think an experienced grinder could give it a shot with 15 BI on that limit.
But there is another thing i do not know is what strategy do you usually play, 100 could mean 30 BI if you play SSS lol
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Pochui Noticed. Its the sequel to my last blog.
I buy in for 75% of the max buy in. So one this limits my losses if it happens, and two I have more than enough to win. This worked well for me last time which is why I made to £400.
Marqis:
He could have noticed I get very protective of hands when a draw is on the board, but it just grinds my gears how these sort of people always call hoping for a card for they're straight pr flush and they 90% of the time hit it. Of course sometimes when their cards and flop give them good odds they should go for it but hoping for a 4 or a 10 would have been low odds but they always hit.
I think I need to work on what I should do when I have good cards and there is a straight or flush draw there because I do go more protective and bet more. Any ideas? The last few days I have not been able to keep most of the profit I make(Mostly due to fish crap) this is unlike me to I am just hoping its a phase the fish are going through and not just me.
Posted by Phisix: He could have noticed I get very protective of hands when a draw is on the board, but it just grinds my gears how these sort of people always call hoping for a card for they're straight pr flush and they 90% of the time hit it. Of course sometimes when their cards and flop give them good odds they should go for it but hoping for a 4 or a 10 would have been low odds but they always hit.
I think I need to work on what I should do when I have good cards and there is a straight or flush draw there because I do go more protective and bet more. Any ideas?
Well, here's how I see it; Those OESD and flush draws do not hit 90% of the time; it's really only about 30%. All you need to do is pay attention to how much your opponent is willing to pay to get there, and then bet that amount. Each time you can get him to call bad pot odds, it's +EV for you, and you are exploiting a leak you've identified him to have. It does not matter, that in 30% of the cases he does hit his draw, since that is paid for by the 70% of the time he doesn't. That is, if you don't pay him off when he hits is draw, but just fold if he does, or at least try to control the pot size.
In general try to adhere to "small hand small pot, big hand big pot".
Going allin will most of the time buy the pot, but keep in mind it's a bluff, and people will catch on, and make you pay, in time. In your case, your hand had showdown value; these are not the best hands to bluff with, but try to get a cheap showdown, or draw to improve. Reserve your bluffs for the absolute crap hands without any showdown value.
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Posted by Phisix:
Posted by lukasb:
Do you have a plan against it btw? i mean, lets suppose u reach �98 and are about to got up a level... then suddenly beat after beat and you drop to lets say �65... it's veryy easy to start to tilt in such a situation and i find it personally very frustrating coz i don't know exactly what to do when that happens... Stop playing for some time... reduce/increase the number of tables you play... what will you try to do if it happens?
I would have stay on the limit I am on instead of jumping up(Experience of doing that before has gone against me) so just grind it back instead of going on a mission to try and get a big win on a higher stake.
@grahamy27:
I don't play on a $ poker site as its either � or Euros. And I only jump up a stake when I have 20 buy ins or more for that stake. I know how it works as I did it last month making �400 from a �5 start but I jumped and stayed on 0.25/0.50 when I shouldn't have done and lost it all.
Plus I said in the future which means when I have �200 to move up a limit. Then again I play on the euro tables as a full buy in costs half what it would do to me joining the same stake on � tables.
Thanks for the graphs though they will come in handy.
------------ This is why I hate micro stakes and calling stations. With his raise I put him on a lower pocket pair or cards like KQ or QJ ect.
** Hand # 5033815655 starting - 2013-09-10 23:11:15 ** Turbo: Shuffle 18 - �4 Max [Hold'em] (0.02|0.04 NL - Cash Game) Real Money
Palaniuchuk sitting in seat 3 with �7.45[Dealer] AllinillA sitting in seat 4 with �3.82 Phisix sitting in seat 6 with �3.76 AllinillA posted the small blind - �0.02 Phisix posted the big blind - �0.04
** Dealing cards to Phisix: Jh, Jd Palaniuchuk folded AllinillA raised to �0.10 Phisix called - �0.08
** Dealing the flop: 8c, 7s, 8s AllinillA bet - �0.20 Phisix raised to �0.52 AllinillA called - �0.32
** Dealing the turn: 4h AllinillA checked Phisix bet - �2.08 AllinillA went all-in - �3.18 Phisix went all-in - �1.04
AllinillA shows: 5d, 6c Phisix shows: Jh, Jd
** Dealing the river: 7c AllinillA wins �7.42 from the main pot
If I did calls like that I would lose my BR.
------------ I have come to the conclusion that odds mean nothing in online poker. These callers call big pre flop raises with crap like J4o. Flops with a gut shot for them I raise because I have pocket queens and the odds are so slim to hit the card needed for the straight and they always call and hit. Getting sick of this s**t because they always call and hit.
no problem mate but the graphs work on £ and euros, it is the exact same only drop the $ and add the £ or euro goodluck
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I know what you mean though, but before I first started BR management I looked online on a few places and they all said have at least 20BI at least. 50 would be better for me, but just not on the stake I am on.
@Marquis
Well I always see them more than 30% of the time, but I guess that would be down to more than just one fish caller on the table. I think most of them call pot sized bets on each street so I could just do that if draws are there. I tend to check once a draw connects regardless if they dont actually have one and a bet from them usually scares me off. Am I right to always fold it, or is 50% of the time they could be bluffing?
You can do it!
Don't mean to dash your hopes but until you are able to grasp the correct BRM you won't go far. I know it is very frustrating but if managed properly it can take you a long way
