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I really want other player opinion i have an entry to a 215 $ tournament blinds increasing every 15 minutes 10.000 chips starting 50k$ guaranteed fonds. I know i have to play tight try stealing as many blinds as possible but how you guys play it?
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It depends lot on how much are the blinds... what do you with extra 15/30 chips you steal? I like to play a lot of hands and pay attention on how everybody plays and little bit who is the fish were I can get some value.. But later in the tournament (20-30 BB) re-stealing is were u get the most chips.. But in the start go for the good hands and the hands like JTs where u can hit hard on the flop good luck on your tournament!
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Posted by uno1Bomber: Play like a donkey! (just kidding) IMHO >$200 tournaments is not your level, and probably you'll lose So, try to play your best game GL
I think that he knows that, why would have he ask a question like that if he had the level?
If you don't feel confident gambling with this amount, I think the best thing to do is unregister and play smaller multi table tournaments... But if you decide to play it, then I suggest you play tight agressive and hopefully hit some cards Hemuli is right, re-stealing can be very profitable in the later stages!
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As usual the answer is tight aggressive for sure, basically play it smart and do not start to gambling like crazy.
I think OP asked about this tournament since he won this entry on smaller qualifying tournaments and i do not think it's possible to get the value of the ticket instead.
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You're right Macubaas i finished 3rd out of 1.2 k players so i hit the ticket too.. Well thanks for advices . The tourney it;s tonight so i am really into playing as smarter as possible cuz there one shot only and can't afford to not value bet it .! I will keep you guys in touch with my results.
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Posted by Macubaas: As usual the answer is tight aggressive for sure, basically play it smart and do not start to gambling like crazy.
I think OP asked about this tournament since he won this entry on smaller qualifying tournaments and i do not think it's possible to get the value of the ticket instead.
Of course its possible to get, atleast full tilt and stars u get T$ when u unregister from the tournament... Atleast in some of the tournaments ive unregisteres with no problem...
Hi my advice is play your normal game (if it normally works), do not alter anything too drastically, as you will be out of your comfort zone and trying to make pots that may not be there.
also;
1. Do not play every pot, try to use correct position to steal in the middle and late stages only. 2. Check raise when and if you have the near to or the nuts and an aggressive loose player behind you. 3. Watch every hand, take notes where appropriate, use this extra information to your advantage. 4. Minimise your loss on each hand by not limping into any pot, unless you have a good to great hand and great position and there are tight players limping in front. 5. Minimise your loss by NOT value betting the river, if a re-raise will push you off the pot i.e. if you bet and your opponent was bluffing, he will not call, if he is trapping you bet, he raises and you just got schooled, DO value bet else wise. 6. and final, keep your game a bit loose, go from tight aggressive ABC in early position to a bit looser and aggressive in late position, if you bluff and get caught or get a good pot, do not bluff for the next dozen or so hands, (unless almost a lock) and change up your game to try and counter the other players, if they play back at you or start picking off your semi-bluffs, stop bluffing for a few hands or, taking a risk, bluff a bit more aggressively, if you showdown rubbish, even if you "donk" the pot, tighten up for the next few hands as the other players will be monitoring you betting patterns and will try to trap a consistent bluffer and you may not see it coming.
GL out there, please post back here your result and either way join the BRM xmas homegame.
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I thought, the best was is to play only real good hands in the first levels. Later you can use the first information from the table and your position to steal or resteal. Play your style and not too tight, than you have a chance to reach the itm positions.
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Posted by uno1Bomber: Play like a donkey! GL
I am not kidding! Yesterday I played Omaha Hi PL ($0.05/$0.10) at FullTilt Poker cash tables and I had $60 profit just for one hour of playing! I sat at the table with $20. I played like a complete donkey idiot and always the magic river helped me to beat almost every other hand!
Playing like a donkey sometimes helps. I deposited $30 and I looked like it was play money. I just wanted to see what will happen if I think this is not $30, this is just play money! I was very agressive, and I got that profit! It was amazing! With PokerStars that system is not working.
This was a very nice experience! Still, I can't believe it!
Edited by Peter7878 (07 December 2013 @ 19:17 GMT)
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well Hi Peter! Good luck. Maybe you should read some MTT books. And watch in youtube some videos where professianals talking about poker. And the most important is patience. If the tourney is playing in the night be sure u have enough coffe and cigaretts .
Peter is in a way correct, but ONLY if you are playing HU, vs another very loose aggressive player, minimising your losses on the back-door draw hands, maximising on every other hand, net result should be an increase in your stack, good discipline as to when to cash out of that particular cash game would ensure a profit for that session. Playing a full table 6-9 players that way is highly risky and around 80% of the time, not profitable and if you include the rake, a big negative will hit your roll. The question, in a way then comes down to, do I during the 20% make more than I lose in the 80%, including all rake etc, normally the answer will be no, however Peter seems to have stepped outside that paradigm at least this time, it may not be repeatable. That said, Good on you Peter, apply good bank roll management and keep going, maybe with just a touch more caution when out of position, so you can still run good on the trap (slightly donkey) hands and also minimise losses on the rest.
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Hello again guys just finised the tourney after 4 houres on 32 place with about 350 players and won about 330 $. Pretty good but could have done much better than that honestly but lost my control after hitting the bubble ( first 40) and couldnt hold on too much.!
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Congrats #bulandeaur for your finish.One quastion,did you won the $200 ticket via satelite or you just made a buy in?I ask you cause i think if you where a regular in that stakes you shouldn't ask for our opinion.
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First of all congratulations on winning this ticket, i know how hard it is to try and win one of these things, you need an awful lot of luck. I think the best way to play is your normal way. If you try and change too many thing you might end up confusing yourself
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I've only just seen this thread and so my advice is a little late / futile.
That said, from my experience of qualifying for tournaments waaay above my bankroll, my advice would be:
1. Only play the one tournament. I will often play 4+ tables simultaneously but with you being in such an important game this is definitely a bad idea. Concentrate on the one game and get "in the zone". 2. Make notes as you go along, ties in with being "in the zone". Get to know the players, the player types and you'll soon realise there are probably almost as many donks as in your normal games. 3. With such a deep stack you'd be wise NOT to sit around waiting for big pre flop hands and instead you have 'room' in your stack to speculate with hands that can flop big eg. pocket pairs (ensure you have say 15/1 odds for set mining), suited connectors and if there's value in your stacks then I'd play suited gappers too. Not wise to do this when you're only 15BB deep but definitely a ploy for when you're playing 10k at 25/50. 4. The most important thing, do not play scared. I've written this before on this forum and it's very important. YOU MUST PLAY TO GO DEEP! A big score will be fantastic whilst just limping into the money won't be something to tell your friends about...and your opponents will likely exploit you. You didn't win a $215 ticket just to double that, you want to win $10k surely
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If you play high buy-in games really tight, you'll most likely go broke just before the bubble (heaps of people will try and hang on until 1st-tier payouts). Your best best is to play fairly tight early on, when the blinds aren't worth much - but get really aggressive around mid-game, stealing a lot when other people are trying to tighten up to survive the bubble - don't be afraid to take chances and risk your stack - but the trick there is to be the person pushing/shoving, not the person calling; that way you get a bit (lot) more equity on your side..
If you make a few risky moves (with your whole stack on the line) you may bust out while you still have plenty of blinds, but you also give yourself an opportunity to get a huge stack; which is how you win a tourney.. Whereas - you can keep playing tight and you'll survive.. but eventually you'll be terrified of the blinds and you'll end up backed into a corner..
And - regardless of how else you play, if you find yourself with < 20bb - NEVER EVER call a raise pre-flop, either re-raise (allin) or fold. NEVER flat a raise when you have under 20bb.. If you're around 15-20bb it's okay to open with a raise if you like, because it's a bit much to shove.. Once you get below 15bb (and particularly below 10bb) NEVER do anything other than shove or fold pre flop.. Calling/raising with a <10bb is a huge leak that many many fishes have.. All you do is get your stack eaten away until it's worthless..
Once you're under 10bb, you must find a spot to shove (not waiting for premiums any more) - if you're mid-position and no one else has raised preflop, don't be afraid to shove with something like 910s, or a small pp.. This is fine.
Never let your stack dwindle, 10bb..9bb...8bb... That's just a gutless and terrible way to play, the only reason you should ever find yourself with under 5bb is because you just lost a huge hand and you had them covered by a couple blinds.. let your stack dwindle down to that is just pathetic.. And people who say "yeah, I got card dead and eventually just blinded out" shouldn't be playing poker, because they got no balls.
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Posted by Nastasha1982:
3. With such a deep stack you'd be wise NOT to sit around waiting for big pre flop hands and instead you have 'room' in your stack to speculate with hands that can flop big eg. pocket pairs (ensure you have say 15/1 odds for set mining), suited connectors and if there's value in your stacks then I'd play suited gappers too. Not wise to do this when you're only 15BB deep but definitely a ploy for when you're playing 10k at 25/50.
This is true; however- remember - deep stacked play favours skilled players. Everyone likes to think they can out think their opponents, but be realistic - if you know you're outclassed, you're better off not playing many of these hands where you have to have a really strong post-flop game.. You're better off just being tight while your stack is deep and waiting until mid games, when people have 20-50bb stacks and then the skilled players lose a LOT of their edge, because there's a lot less post flop 'play'. Just something to keep in mind. Not everyone has the skills to play 'small ball' poker.
good luck on your tournament!
