where is this world going (: do we really have to live in a world where full house wont be safe anymore?! I demand changes!
btw i slowplayed it to max on purpose, i wanted to keep his flush draw alive, or whatever draw he had. Now, obviously, i did not want him to hit that one... but what are odds of this happening anyways o,o
not i didnt shove in the end, because quite frankly, i was kinda terrified at that point, but his raise made me almost sure he doesnt have A but some other instead. he did have the other one of course.
I guess it helps im still on micro limits, it would hurt much more if i were playing higher stakes i suppose Kudos to that guy though, his small river bet worked like a charm. Or maybe he was just as scared of that ace instead? I guess ill never know.
odd thing is i just laughed at it, kept my cool and decided not to add any chips and grind back with 0,5$ instead, and managed to go back to 4$ before calling it a day on that table, so i guess that part of my zoom game got much better in past few days.
btw this happened right after i just got kicked out on 2 tourneys by 'edited' hands. edited the crying part, i dont want to cry, theapple knows better! i stil like pie though.
sure it helps that one was 50 cents buyin (2,5k guarantee one on ps) and the other one was something similar but still....
it all happened in like under 10 hands and im not tilted at all. i just decided to call it a day and go watch a movie instead.
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Crazy crazy hand. To flop so huge and not get paid is just sick. I dont know how you could have played it differently without scaring the other player off, if you reraised him on the flop he would have folded so you will just have to put it down to bad luck
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Thats the sickest hand ive ever seen. Just shows that slowplaying is prettymuch always a bad idea. I still remember a hand from tilts nosebleeds where one guy was slowplaying quads and ended up losing to straitflush
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yea gun, thats a valid point. but i feel like i wouldnt really get value from flopped full house if i win what 10c lol? thats why i tried to keep his draw alive and was hoping for him to hit something. be it flush or something else it doesnt matter, just not straight flush obviously
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Posted by doubletop777: Crazy crazy hand. To flop so huge and not get paid is just sick. I dont know how you could have played it differently without scaring the other player off, if you reraised him on the flop he would have folded so you will just have to put it down to bad luck
....I have to say you made a few errors in this hand, that ended up costing you.
Firstly, the raise with K10 off suite from mid-late position wasn't a horrible play, but not something I'd recommend doing often - hands like that cost you money when you flop top pair, or even flop nut straights as opponents are likely to be holding two pair, and have the chance to boat up, especially if you check a flopped straight.
After that flop, I certainly would've done the same as you. In position, facing a bet - it's a flat call all day long. But then after the turn, you NEED to raise there - not to scare them away, but to get value in the pot. If they have a flush, they are not going away there, and if they have a flush draw - make them pay to see it.
Then after that river, in position with four to a straight/royal flush on board you should not even think about raising.
Golden rule: It's better to win a small pot than lose a big one.
Don't be afraid of betting someone off a pot when you're holding a monster. Good players can make good folds... but at $0.01/0.02 players are going to call you down with most pairs or any draws.
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ty yout, ur comments are much appreciated yea i also think i should have raised a bit more on turn.
also, that min bet (10c) on river kinda made me sure he doesnt have A so i decided to try to value bet and imo it could work in pretty much all cases except for him holding straight flush
a) i had fh b) i could play on higher flush draw card
but yes i was also scared of that board (who wouldnt be) so thats why i didnt shove. But the truth is he would most likley not drop his draw even if shove on turn, so i actually saved myself some money there. He still had a straight flush draw mind you, and most people on micros arent dropping their gutshot straight draw, much less straight flush draw
but yea you make some valid points, and in most cases raising a bit more on turn would make sense maybe, but im not one of those who are raising for info and i thought anything other than 2,5x his raise would scare him away.
but as i said i just contined playing, i managed to climb back and ended up getting my BI back (and more) so im not complaining at all. Odd thing is - i found this hand to be a really valuable lesson, and it wasnt that expensive really
cheers and thanks for your comments. all comments (good or bad) are much appreciated, considering i just started playing online a few months ago, im always willing to listen to suggestions made by more experienced players.
edit: i also know about K10 and how you can end up with TPcK (top pair crap kicker, lol) but i also think i know how NOT to misplay that one and on some obvious reraises from people who dont raise that often, or suspicious check-calls i just let it go. Im one of those who have no problems in folding aces on dangerous board, so thats not really a problem imo. I suppose it all depends on my opponent(s), and i also try to mix my play as much as possible,to be as unpredictable as possible, while still staying on a high side of +ev decsions, if that makes any sense
also, started using hud just a few days ago, and it really helps to make my decisions quicker. So i kinda started as a recreational player a few months ago but just recently started using icm training and now using a hud too, who knows maybe ill turn pro one day
edit jr: dear lord that ended up as a looooooooong reply, i doubt anyone is gonna read it now. oh well, c'est la vie (:
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Posted by yout85:
Golden rule: It's better to win a small pot than lose a big one.
Good luck next time!
I totally agree with you.
I prefer bet bet bet even when I got the nuts, more if I'm playing at microlimits. If the villian does not hold a good hand and fold just bad luck, but it's better to win 6 cents than lost 2 dollars.
Although I know it is pretty frustating to win 2 or 3 bb only with such a monster hand, it is worse to realize that you lost 1-buy in for slowplaying your hand and let the villian get the nuts.
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Yep same here bet, bet , bet till they folds and wins the pot or folds when they raise on scary board. Anyway things like this is going to happen, sometimes you can play a hand perfectly because you think he had that range. But when he shows his cards, you see that you were doing it right for the wrong reasons.
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That was definately a pretty sick hand and frankly on this very level i highly doubted that he actually got the A and not another card to make the flush.
At least is good that you did not went all in and you did not lose your entire stack in that hand. Thanks for sharing!
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So you are the ninjaturtle He/She belongs to the flush club, playing and chasing everything when you have suited cards. Its either KT or 29. Doesnt matter And oh my how many times they get lucky with their chases.
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i dont actually mind chasers that much, i actually love them most of the time
but for gods sake this guy cant even be called a chaser, i raised preflop, shoved on flop and he called with K high and 1 freaking on flop, its ridiculous really
but i suppose how in the long term we should be grateful that guy like this one exist
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holy cow
my dafuq hand of the day, on mg network... just tried this one for the first time and apparently everyone loves to limp there, so i didnt want to stick out. played just a few hands there but even that is enough to notice how players on this site are... well, odd. also, pretty much any bet (0,2c regarldess of current pot size can make someone fold their hand). but this, this is something new really.
** Hand # 5217837657 starting - 2014-02-05 22:17:37 ** Anonymous - €2 Max [Hold'em] (0.01|0.02 NL - Cash Game) Real Money
Player 1 sitting in seat 1 with €1.84 Player 2 sitting in seat 2 with €1.88 Turtlesaur sitting in seat 3 with €0.66[Dealer] Player 4 sitting in seat 4 with €2.69 Player 5 sitting in seat 5 with €0.61 Player 6 sitting in seat 6 with €0.98 Player 4 posted the small blind - €0.01 Player 5 posted the big blind - €0.02
** Dealing cards to Turtlesaur: Ad, 9d Player 6 folded Player 1 called - €0.02 Player 2 called - €0.02 Turtlesaur called - €0.02 Player 4 raised to €0.03 Player 5 called - €0.02 Player 1 called - €0.02 Player 2 called - €0.02 Turtlesaur called - €0.02
** Dealing the flop: Jd, 8d, 9h Player 4 bet - €0.04 Player 5 folded Player 1 called - €0.04 Player 2 called - €0.04 Turtlesaur raised to €0.16 Player 4 called - €0.12 Player 1 folded Player 2 raised to €0.24 Turtlesaur called - €0.12 Player 4 folded
** Dealing the turn: 9c Player 2 folded Turtlesaur mucks: Turtlesaur wins €0.87 from the main pot
Rake: €0.09
dafuq?
edit: still puzzled about this one really, so much that i decided to call it a day and go watch barca - sociedad on tv instead
but some other 
Kudos to that guy though, his small river bet worked like a charm. Or maybe he was just as scared of that ace instead? I guess ill never know.
yea i also think i should have raised a bit more on turn.
on flop, its ridiculous really 
