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Posted by doomdy: So many people here on BRM thinking fold aces kings queens on the bubble is the right play
So sad so sad so sad
I don't and never have. You should be looking to capitulate on peoples bubble fears so you can go into the next round with enough chips to survive and player deeper, and that is why QQ/KK/AA is perfect for that if you are lucky to have them then.
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That happens to me a lot too, but it tends to happen more when i am paying more attention to the rank. I know we should always take a look to have notion about our position in the tourney, but sometimes we tend to get obcessed and that will makes more nervous when playing big hands like those in such important moments of the game. But there sure is a good tip.
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< Oh hahahahahahhaaa.... You guys all make jokes,....but like I said,....MOST of the time they get killed. I pay attention.
Like I said,....why sit there for SO LONG only to get killed AT the bubble...??? ...no matter HOW much it costs you to enter,...whether it be a freeroll or a $10 buy in or a $100 buy in...or whatever....?
Are you trying to tell me that if you paid $1,000 or $10,000 to enter a tourney and came to the bubble with what MF had,...or what I had,...you would just SHOVE or call an all in.... I DON'T think so....unless you're SO wealthy the $1,000 bills are squeezing out your A$$....lol..
I WAS going to FOLD those aces, and would have had a reasonable sized stack to make a go of it once IN the money...
....and one more thing..... Tell me who the hell is interested in getting JUST getting into the money, getting .03c and being satisfied with that....? Not me....
None of you guys were at the table to see how that clown who killed my AA with his K9 was playing...
Even if I would have shoved,....he would have called, and I would have lost ANYHOW...!!!
There's been PLENTY of times I've shoved AA,....but not at the bubble unless I am the BIG stack and can take the hit....
There are times to mess with folks' heads at the bubble, and times to fold.
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Oh,...and one more thing,..... I like to play a lot of hands 'limpy' because it makes egotistical folks think I'm a pushover,....then I whack 'em....
I mix them up,...limpy and aggressive. Keeps them guessing and hopefully calling or reraising... Just ask doubletopp777... After I befuddled him and TOOK his chips,...he starts telling me How I SHOULD have played that hand....lol...
...or look these two hands up on PartyPoker if you can find them:
# 13,673,397,339
# 13,674,628,430
maybe check THIS one too:
# 13,673,517,313
Maybe our paths will cross at a table sometime,...and we'll see what's up...
Edited by demodawggy (23 February 2014 @ 21:15 GMT)
Yes it happens that you lose with AA on the bubble but why limping with AA pre-flop when you have 3 opponents. Why not go all-in preflop just to isolate 1 opponent and do be large favorite if he calls with J 10 every time he will lose more often and you will win more often with your AA against him. Back to topic : I folded 1 or 2 time AA or KK in a tourney on the bubble but it was a tourney where top ten received an entrance and there was just 11 players left. And i dont wanted to play against the other big stake
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Posted by demodawggy: < Oh hahahahahahhaaa.... You guys all make jokes,....but like I said,....MOST of the time they get killed. I pay attention.
Like I said,....why sit there for SO LONG only to get killed AT the bubble...??? ...no matter HOW much it costs you to enter,...whether it be a freeroll or a $10 buy in or a $100 buy in...or whatever....?
Are you trying to tell me that if you paid $1,000 or $10,000 to enter a tourney and came to the bubble with what MF had,...or what I had,...you would just SHOVE or call an all in.... I DON'T think so....unless you're SO wealthy the $1,000 bills are squeezing out your A$$....lol..
I WAS going to FOLD those aces, and would have had a reasonable sized stack to make a go of it once IN the money...
....and one more thing..... Tell me who the hell is interested in getting JUST getting into the money, getting .03c and being satisfied with that....? Not me....
None of you guys were at the table to see how that clown who killed my AA with his K9 was playing...
Even if I would have shoved,....he would have called, and I would have lost ANYHOW...!!!
There's been PLENTY of times I've shoved AA,....but not at the bubble unless I am the BIG stack and can take the hit....
There are times to mess with folks' heads at the bubble, and times to fold.
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Oh,...and one more thing,..... I like to play a lot of hands 'limpy' because it makes egotistical folks think I'm a pushover,....then I whack 'em....
I mix them up,...limpy and aggressive. Keeps them guessing and hopefully calling or reraising... Just ask doubletopp777... After I befuddled him and TOOK his chips,...he starts telling me How I SHOULD have played that hand....lol...
...or look these two hands up on PartyPoker if you can find them:
# 13,673,397,339
# 13,674,628,430
maybe check THIS one too:
# 13,673,517,313
Maybe our paths will cross at a table sometime,...and we'll see what's up...
Aaarghhh i giv up this is so sad But maybe I reply at this is even more sad
Anyway.....
I can only say 1 thing, just put up your sharkscope, scope is the only thing that is 100% correct.
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never fold aces or kings fullstop yes they get sucked out on but in the long run they win more than they loose and if you want to win tournements you cant be folding these monsters near the bubble you have to take every advantage you get to progress though tournemets and folding monsters preflop near the bubble is not a option 2 me
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AA, KK near the bubble go crazy everyone knows that excepts you can fold if you get all players alling in, it is better to let them chop each other off. Bubble play is very exploitable if you do it properly some will play like nit, folding all cards, just to get pass it, and someone will just go crazy and steal a lot. Adjust accordingly and pocket pairs go up in value here!
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raise from the button it's highly unlikely that he had the monster pairs most people want to make you pay to hit a set or monster flop,this is almost always a coin flip sitituation if you knew you were in a flip and wanted to take down one of the top spots good job ,if your intention was to make the bubble just go ahead and fold everything till your in ,or only take the bets from the stacks that won't damage you
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Posted by demodawggy: There's NOTHING MORE frustrating, demoralizing and tilty than sitting there for 2 or 3 hours ONLY to get whacked at the bubble...
To be honest , I think it's even more frustrating, demoralizing and tilty to to sit there for 2 or 3 hours ONLY to let your stack drain during the bubble and then mincash ... knowing you had AA/KK that were perfect opportunities to doulbe/triple up and continue with a healthy stack after the bubble has burst ..
Edited by djpremier (25 February 2014 @ 18:03 GMT)
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Posted by djpremier:
Posted by demodawggy: There's NOTHING MORE frustrating, demoralizing and tilty than sitting there for 2 or 3 hours ONLY to get whacked at the bubble...
To be honest , I think it's even more frustrating, demoralizing and tilty to to sit there for 2 or 3 hours ONLY to let your stack drain during the bubble and then mincash ... knowing you had AA/KK that were perfect opportunities to doulbe/triple up and continue with a healthy stack after the bubble has burst ..
...I have more to say later,...busy right now...BUT...
...dj,....that is ONLY an assumption that you WILL min cash...
Where is it 'cut in stone' that if you make it into the money 'shortstacked' you will only min cash...? Nowhere...!
I have made it into the cash MANY times shortstacked, then have gone deep, and even made a few final tables...
Whereas,....I've gotten into the cash many times BIG stacked and not gone all that far...
So 5 times in the last two days on 2 sites, FT and PP,... I arrived at or near the bubble medium to short stacked with fairly stong pocket pairs...opting to play them Bubble Bozo style...
...as previously mentioned, the no brainer QQ I had short stacked that I won,...only to have my AA cracked RIGHT on the bubble... BAM OUT....On the bubble...
QQ......BAM....OUT
KK.......BAM....OUT
QQ......BAM....OUT
yesterday on PP, about 12 or 15 from the bubble,...got QQ, flop came down Q,...trip Qs, shoved...
BAM....OUT.....to buddy who filled out his K 8 off junk straight...
So,....5 misses at the bubble when I was ITM for sure,...which would have given me 5 chances at going deep once in,...or at LEAST a consolation min or medium cash...AND needed leaderboard points...
You're playing hundreds of hands in each tourney.... and the outcome DOESN'T depend on the play of ONE hand, UNLESS you get whacked...
...but then again,...maybe I play a little old school style.
Watch Doyle Brunson's interview where he's talking about what the young folks have turned poker into... basically huge ridiculous bets and shoving it all with the minimum of anything they have...
To each his own I guess...
ZERO,...I'm pretty sure I've seen you post up a thread or two about this very thing in the past where you got whacked at the bubble with a huge pocket... No offence meant my friend,...but figure it our...
*** By the way,....right as I type this, and to be fair and unbiased....
...on the bubble at PP/BrM,...got Ad As heads up on the bubble with a BIG stacker who had 9 10 h...
I shove
Qd 5s Jh comes...
OH OH....he's got open ended straight draw...
2h on turn.... < Now he's got straight draw AND flush draw...
Ac comes on river
< LUCKY mascona's rigged magic river card....!!!
I win....
Edited by demodawggy (26 February 2014 @ 17:55 GMT)
Posted by doomdy: So many people here on BRM thinking fold aces kings queens on the bubble is the right play
So sad so sad so sad
Not sad. Im in heaven whenever I met somebody who is giving up re-steals cuz worrying they might end up outside of ITM. They paving my way to the FT most of the time.
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Posted by bowie1984:
Posted by doomdy: So many people here on BRM thinking fold aces kings queens on the bubble is the right play
So sad so sad so sad
Not sad. Im in heaven whenever I met somebody who is giving up re-steals cuz worrying they might end up outside of ITM. They paving my way to the FT most of the time.
Winning a hand at the bubble, as opposed to any other place in the game paves your way to the FT....?
...that's like saying if you don't win a hand at the bubble, you're not going to make the FT....
.... < lol... everything hinges on what happens in one hand at the bubble....too much, f'ing hilarious...
Posted by doomdy: So many people here on BRM thinking fold aces kings queens on the bubble is the right play
So sad so sad so sad
Not sad. Im in heaven whenever I met somebody who is giving up re-steals cuz worrying they might end up outside of ITM. They paving my way to the FT most of the time.
Winning a hand at the bubble, as opposed to any other place in the game paves your way to the FT....?
...that's like saying if you don't win a hand at the bubble, you're not going to make the FT....
.... < lol... everything hinges on what happens in one hand at the bubble....too much, f'ing hilarious...
I dont remember one single tournament of mine where the bubble lasted only one single hand. You can laugh as you want but our stacks build on chickens like you. You are way worse than a nit (and you dont even recognise it - now thats the spirit!) at least they didnt overadvertise how they killing their own chance to achieve anything beyond itm. Congrats man, keep it up!
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Some great advice here but the issue of never play any hand so close to the bubble is a real moot point. A lot depends on also maximising your opportunity to win more based on the fact many will also just be folding good hands at the bubble. Think of the balance between what you may lose ( your buy in) and what you may win!
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I don't care if it's a $1 or a $100 dollar buy-in. No way am I folding AA or KK pre-flop bubble or no bubble. Yes, you will bust some of the time, but when you win, you will put yourself in contention for a spot at the final table, where the big money is.
Ask yourself this: would you rather have 4 small cashes or 1 cash in the top 3?
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Posted by damosk: Some great advice here but the issue of never play any hand so close to the bubble is a real moot point. A lot depends on also maximising your opportunity to win more based on the fact many will also just be folding good hands at the bubble. Think of the balance between what you may lose ( your buy in) and what you may win!
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Posted by bowie1984:
Posted by demodawggy:
Posted by bowie1984:
Posted by doomdy: So many people here on BRM thinking fold aces kings queens on the bubble is the right play
So sad so sad so sad
Not sad. Im in heaven whenever I met somebody who is giving up re-steals cuz worrying they might end up outside of ITM. They paving my way to the FT most of the time.
Winning a hand at the bubble, as opposed to any other place in the game paves your way to the FT....?
...that's like saying if you don't win a hand at the bubble, you're not going to make the FT....
.... < lol... everything hinges on what happens in one hand at the bubble....too much, f'ing hilarious...
chickens like you.
Chicken....? Not chicken,....just not doing something STUPID...
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Posted by hooley99: I don't care if it's a $1 or a $100 dollar buy-in. No way am I folding AA or KK pre-flop bubble or no bubble. Yes, you will bust some of the time, but when you win, you will put yourself in contention for a spot at the final table, where the big money is.
Ask yourself this: would you rather have 4 small cashes or 1 cash in the top 3?
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Posted by damosk:
You automatically assume all you will get is a min cash... Why would you assume that....? That sounds more like a losing attitude to me... You're saying once in, there's no chance to go any further...lol...
I would RATHER have 4 chances at going deep than getting clobbered at the bubble 80% of the time...
The only time I'm shoving at the bubble is if I am big stacked,...and big enough to take a loss and survive.
There's NOTHING more satisfying than clobbering some bubble bonehead who's trying to steal the hand at the bubble,....especially when they had junk in their pocket,...then they start calling YOU names because you knocked them out...
Anyhow,... ZERO, was the title of your thread a statement, or a question...? Either way,...when one repeatedly get whacked at the bubble, the result is a self evident...
Edited by demodawggy (27 February 2014 @ 15:19 GMT)
< Oh hahahahahahhaaa.... You guys all make jokes,....but like I said,....MOST of the time they get killed. I pay attention. 
< Now he's got straight draw AND flush draw...
