Joined: Mar '10
Location: United Kingdom
Age: 59 (M)
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Is it just me or are online poker sites taken the piss out of us. Are they playing genuine poker. Who is the real winner The poker player or the House with there big rake for every hand or Tournament we play in. I'm sick of someone on the table hits ever hand and how do they make them impossible hands to beat you. Who is that person or thing on your table "is he a program for the computer site" or is his hand deliberately made up or found to beat you. Doe the sites favour The BIGGER Depositer. Is it programed to make sure no ones a winner only them.So you win and lose just to keep you playing and paying them that FAT Rake I've been playing for 4 years and had a break in them 4 for 2 years. So 2 years ago started again and played on winner and within a month won a $10 buy in Tournament and then another 1 in the next month so moved on to pokerstars and thought I'll hit it big and become the next poker pro..i.e Kidpoker But that is were I really seen the light that this online poker is just one big con and it's us being conned.For a start how is a company allowed to let there employee's take part in there competitions,You see the terms of any other company, your not even allowed if your family member of a person that works for the companies be involved. That's just one little point. Who knows what favours is the site programed for it's employees. My next issue is would the hands that are made be possible in real live poker tournaments in real life. I think not. The online games I am in some time takes that little bit longer to work out and find the hand to beat you and take your money or knock you out of a tournament.you might think I've lost it but I really believe this is the case in online poker. Pokerstars is the worst site for this because every hand is hit and they have hands that are vertualey impossible to make. you would not get them if they were not preprogramed.The calls that are made are too stuiped to be true, so there for the question comes into the aquasition who am i playing or do they know what was coming in the flop turn and river Well the only answer I can give for the question of How genuine is online poker is play real live tournament poker which I am going to tomorrow at the Maghull social club in Liverpool and I will state now I will win to prove how good I am at the game but mostly show that online poker is bent, rigged and is a big con. Online poker is just for the house to make that RAKE. I will post my results and finding and would like your feed back on how you feel towards these poker sites and how real they are...
Joined: May '13
Location: Mauritius
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Well you got to adjust as poker is changing now, nowadays there are lots of bonuses now and you need to know when to get the free money. Anyway poker is continuing to change and we have to adapt we can still win money but you have to work twice as hard now and hope that you can make it. Also mental game and discipline is key now. As you play alone infront of the computer not too social!
Joined: May '08
Location: Lithuania
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how genuine are online poker sites? pretty genuine imo- what's your concern? rake- yes house always wins, like it or don't but that's how system works- you can always try to organize a home game with your friends and play without rake there... but try to organize a 10+ mtt? tough work- be realistic it's a business- they have to earn money somehow and that somehow usually equates to rake.
badbeats, setups, rigged software blah blah... i worked as a croupier back in the days and dealt thousands and thousands of poker/blackjack hands...i can only say this: it's pretty normal to experience plenty of sh1t once you play long enough... if you think differently, there's a simple way to test everything for yourself- find a deck of cards, do a shuffle and deal to a full table...see how the hands unfold and if you deal long enough you will see how many super bad beats occur... it's all part of the game.
one more thing: this post is super -ev in terms of length... i could've kept it twice shorter and still get same 10 mobpoints
Joined: Nov '12
Location: Canada
Age: 56 (M)
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G'day mate
I just want to say that I knew someone was going to start kicking this old dead horse again. I was surprised it was taking so long this time. I just lost $276 on Partypoker when my pocket kings got bet i was big blind. The flop cost me $6 to see it. the flop was a 6 king Ace rainbow board. on player raised and he got re raised I called then the Russian raised again and the Ukraine guy called I called as well. The turn was another King, I had just made quads I was pumping my fist in the air saying "hell yea baby somebody bluff". The Russian raised & the Ukrainian shoved all in. I shoved all in over top him and the Russian called. The cards all get showed the Ukrainian idiot had pocket jacks, I had quad Kings, The @#$#ing Russian had Pocket Aces so a Full House Aces over Kings. The river was the 4th Ace
Bulls@#t is all I can say. Total BS! I now have $24 left on PartyPoker I have never had such BS happen to me live, but I have seen it many times online on several sites. I still play online.
Joined: Jan '14
Location: Netherlands
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Pochui is right, and in addition, you will always notice your opponent's luck more than yours, in soccer it always looks like it is unfair and never in your favor... Just saying...
@Ronin: It seems like you have lost three quarter of your bankroll by one buy-in, that's really too risky!!!
Joined: Mar '10
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Listen pochui what are you reading because your missing my point. I ain't on about being a croupier what you were so why are you wasting the space going on about you've dealt blackjack hands. A Croupier doesn't fit in a computer or deal the hands from a computer of poker. yeah there is one or two bad beats but not as many that occur on the internet, especialy on pokerstars. There seems to be no other cards in the deck when you get bad beats. Example just now on pokerstars JJ against K4 flop A 10 Q 9 and river J to make the unbelievable hand. any other card would of made it not possible so there programed rigged. Hey I spent 2 whole years playing poker every day dealing a pack of cards and seen nearly ever 13,000 hands you can make in poker and you'd get 1 one bad beat like this once a month. plus making the royal flush was done on 6 in total and it was only me that made out 12 players that played at least 3 tournaments a day. Up to 12 Sat & Sundays. By the way I didn't do this post for or to make 10 meesley mob points like you did or do to all the bits of bull you come out with just to collect your mob points on other reply's. Get a grip of yourself and try and earn a buck playing live poker.I know the house always wins too but I wont there program check cos it's corrupt.
------------ Hi ya RoninHarper Thanks for your reply and story.That was the baddest of beats I've herd. Isn't there a bad beat claim on that site.? Well I'm glad you think on my lines."sorry you lost so much though" That fits in to my point of they bad beat us to take our money to keep are money and turn it into the rake off the table. That Russian will loose that in the next few hands and so on. What it is, is they made that hand up to get you and the others to bet everything you had in your account on that hand so you'll deposit again because your account is pretty empty now. The people out there now Ronin might think I'm talking bull but what chances of them hands comong out in a real live game of poker. Zero you could sit and deal the cards for the rest of your life but you you will not see or come across that hand ever again. Even watch live play in poker on what ever tv station and see if you see how often the hands you hit on online poker sites are hit in live dealer play... Do you know how many I've seen NONE...I'm going to play in a live deal tournament tomorrow and see how fare it will be.. i will never deposit in online poker again.. Anyway RoninHarper best of luck for the future..
------------ Pouchi isn't right DDpascalDD. He's talking bulloaney. as I've said I deal'd, played poker for 2 years and never hit the hands they seem to hit every hand or other hand on pokerstars. my computer was even flagging a box up the other day stating this site is untrustworthy why would it do that.? yes you seem to only notice your opponents luck or your bad beats but its to often but more so unbelievable and as if there isn't any other cards in the deck. By the way you carn't compare it to a game of football maybe in the dutch league though only joking m8 @Ronin is a perfect example of a programed hand to make everyone go all in, also who would not take the risk witch you say you wouldn't you are either not a true poker player or your a program witch the winner of that hand probberly was. He thought and I would of thought he had the knuts I can not believe you think that as to Risky!!!
you don't know what you are talking about. bad beats happens all the time. i am one of few players here that have more time playn live poker than on line and yes it happens all the time . every night floped k high str8 on 910j flop gets river crusher by AK . set vs set KK vs 22 loose happens all the time. people loose houses, cars,everything in one hand at live poker is it rigged to? NO on line u play much more hands per hour ,so it happens more often than in live poker where game is slow. program is not rigged, it is not a scam.and why would it be? do u know how much money pokersites earn on rake? they don't care if me or you win they will get they rake money. on line u can in theory win 100K wit 1 dollar if u get lucky to satellite in big tournament and win ,u cant do that in live poker. and that all comes form live poker player. peace
Joined: Mar '10
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IceQueenAce I know every hand is possible in poker you nim wit it's how often they come about and they can only be made if there was no other cards in the pack but those needed in other words don't they put or play other cards in the pack. How come they can hit every card needed to make that total s**t hand into dynamite to blow you off the table. only by the fact there rigged and program to do so It's nothing to do with bad play or to look at bad play or to question my play. You don't even know what the word statistical refers to your opinion HANDS ARE IMPOSSIBLE TO MAKE IF YOU HAVEN'T GOT THE CARDS.
I just want to say that I knew someone was going to start kicking this old dead horse again. I was surprised it was taking so long this time. I just lost $276 on Partypoker when my pocket kings got bet i was big blind. The flop cost me $6 to see it. the flop was a 6 king Ace rainbow board. on player raised and he got re raised I called then the Russian raised again and the Ukraine guy called I called as well. The turn was another King, I had just made quads I was pumping my fist in the air saying "hell yea baby somebody bluff". The Russian raised & the Ukrainian shoved all in. I shoved all in over top him and the Russian called. The cards all get showed the Ukrainian idiot had pocket jacks, I had quad Kings, The @#$#ing Russian had Pocket Aces so a Full House Aces over Kings. The river was the 4th Ace
Bulls@#t is all I can say. Total BS! I now have $24 left on PartyPoker I have never had such BS happen to me live, but I have seen it many times online on several sites. I still play online.
be cool
Ronin
sorry to here that ...crazy bad beat dose PP have bead beat i think you could win big if they do
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Posted by Dazalef: IceQueenAce I know every hand is possible in poker you nim wit it's how often they come about and they can only be made if there was no other cards in the pack but those needed in other words don't they put or play other cards in the pack. How come they can hit every card needed to make that total s**t hand into dynamite to blow you off the table. only by the fact there rigged and program to do so It's nothing to do with bad play or to look at bad play or to question my play. You don't even know what the word statistical refers to your opinion HANDS ARE IMPOSSIBLE TO MAKE IF YOU HAVEN'T GOT THE CARDS.
Sit down at a table and play some cards with me then. I will both show you some skill AND tell you why you are wrong
Joined: May '08
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I made profit on any site/skin i played poker, so rigged? Guess not.
If you go over and over busto then ask yourself whats wrong? Is your bankrollmanagement horrible or is your skill so bad you never gonna be a winning player.
So dont blame the sites blame yourself, dont cry but get better!!!
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some random bullsh1t:
1) you're basically questioning the integrity of online poker sites (especially riverstars) - have you got any proof? if you do, then probably sharing it on some random poker forum is not going to change the situation... if you don't then look at post above.
2) posting for 10 measly mobpoints is actually more +ev then posting for 0 mobpoints. plus you can always say: i post for cash (small, but still cash) and not to express myself to random unknown people over the internet.
3) i know that i am losing because i am a sh1tty poker player... this might not be the reason you keep losing- probably rigged software is at fault... but do consider that there is a small chance that there is sth wrong with your game... there are winning and losing players at any given poker room... i know personally one dude (my good friend back from schooldays) who is up 100K+ on stars... yeah probably it has nothing to do with his skill, he just installed different stars client (not rigged one)...
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Posted by Dazalef: who would not take the risk witch you say you wouldn't you are either not a true poker player or your a program witch the winner of that hand probberly was. He thought and I would of thought he had the knuts I can not believe you think that as to Risky!!!
I would do the same but I mean that he lost too much by just one all-in. I would go all-in as well but he had a too high buy-in. You can Always lose your whole buy-in so you shouldn't buy-in with so much!
Joined: Aug '12
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You dont believe to pokersite? You think you are losing more hands than you should mathematically? Then do you "experiment" and count those hands. For example count every coinflip you will play and when you will have representative number (lets say 1000 coinflips) then look at results. I guarantee to you it will be close to 50-50% winning and losing.
Or just flip your real coin. I did it 100 times and I got 48:52. longest streak was 11 heads in row! Thats some "running bad" in pokerr.
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Weenie a game of poker is not a coin flip,I carn't it being classed as one because it's a comparison that is a total different call. No a 2/7 against Ak is not a bad beat. It wouldn't get called. Use are all missing my point its the way the hands unfold and come up to the final result. If you shuffle a deck of cards they would not settle to the results they do in online poker. Also 2/7 will not win approx 1 in 3 times or 22 against A-K is 50/50.That is what you are to be believed. I wouldn't even give them hands 3 out of 10 times.They would win 1 out of every 30. So you and DD wont to get this coin flip out of your head because that is really a different game. Also poker is a game of luck That you get the cards you need to make the hand you are chasing..
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Posted by Dazalef: Weenie a game of poker is not a coin flip,I carn't it being classed as one because it's a comparison that is a total different call. No a 2/7 against Ak is not a bad beat. It wouldn't get called. Use are all missing my point its the way the hands unfold and come up to the final result. If you shuffle a deck of cards they would not settle to the results they do in online poker. Also 2/7 will not win approx 1 in 3 times or 22 against A-K is 50/50.That is what you are to be believed. I wouldn't even give them hands 3 out of 10 times.They would win 1 out of every 30. So you and DD wont to get this coin flip out of your head because that is really a different game. Also poker is a game of luck That you get the cards you need to make the hand you are chasing..
