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I'm going to write about the BR I received from Bankrollmob.com for Full Tilt Poker one week ago. I used the No Deposit offer, $50,- to start playing with and $50 released in steps of $5 when you create enough Full Tilt Points.
About myself: I play poker for 1.5 years now, most of the time online. I have some experience, and I'm a winning player on the iPoker network. I made $400 out of a $10 no deposit offer there. I'm a student, so I don't play every day and (exept in holidays) only 1 to 2 hours if I play. I'm not the best player out here and there will be many better players but I would like to share my story with you.
This threat is ment to be a guide for serious new players who want to create a Bankroll out of a No Deposit offer. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
I started playing at 10NL cashtables, 2 tabled with a full stack. (10NL is the lowest cash game limit). I won a bit, but then I received a few beats. AA got cracked by KK and I had the 2nd best hand and someone else had the nuts etc. I went down to $24,-.
Playing cash tables for a full stack was far too risky with my bankroll, so I decided to try something else. A friend gave me the ' short stack strategy' . I buy in for 30 BB on 4 or more 9 handed cash tables. (there are no 10 handed tables at Full Tilt) I only play premium hands, and I fold some of 'em when I'm out of position. I never limp, only raise and/or reraise pre-flop. By doing that, I create quite a pot of 8 or more big blinds. If I hit I try to put all my chips in as fast as possible. If I miss or when I think I'm beat I fold on the flop. I only chase draws it they are open ended and when I get the right odds for it, otherwise I fold and wait for the next situation to double up.
After I doubled, I leave the table immediately, and I join another one, again with 30BB. I keep my stack at the lever of 30BB at any time, using Full Tilt's Auto Rebuy option.
The level of the players on Full Tilt's lowest limit is not very high. Most of them don't even notice that you play so tight. Since people leave and new people join the table, you don't have to create a loose-agressive immage to get paid off on the big hands. In that way the only thing that you'll lose are Blinds and the Pre Flop raises that you made before you have to fold on the flop.
You can play hours without losing more then a few dollars if you have a bad session and my best is +$20 in 4 hours of play. ( 2 sessions of 2 hours)
This strategy has a few advantages: - You do not invest too much of your Bankroll, so the chance on going broke is small. - By playing many tables you'll get more Full Tilt Points, which you also get if other players create a big pot and you folded your hand Pre Flop. - You put your chips in with the biggest win chance. On the long term it should be profitable. - You don't have to watch your opponents, you just play your own hand and only watch the hands that you play yourself.
Downsides of this strategy: - You need to have dicipline to wait for the right cards in the right position. I had a few sessions of 1000+ hands and I only played 8% of the hands, I only won 4% of those hands. And that are not all 'double ups' . - Because you have the best hands most of the times you'll receive many bad beats. That's because people with draws - overcards and a big stack don't respect small stacks and put you all-in. If you lose a pot like that you only have to remember that you'll make money out of that situations on the LONG TERM. - You almost play like a robot, which is not so much fun.
So, using this strategy I'll create enough FT points to realease my bonus and I can build a bankroll in a relative safe way. That's what happened. Full Tilt already released an additional $35 of my bonus, which makes a total of 85 free bonus dollars. My bankroll on this moment is $113,-. That makes a netto profit of $28,-. (Actually it is more since I came back from $24,-) I have to be honest, I won some money in a tournement too and I lost some money in a Omaha Hi game, so not every dollar is created by the small stack strategy.
I'll keep you updated
Any comments and questions are welcome, feel free to post a reply!
Well done DVJ! Keep up the good work....I am currently trying the same thing on action poker...but I've had some bad beats and also lost some money in tourneys....but as you said, it should end up being profitable in the long run...so long as I don't go broke off of bad beats first lol! Good luck on the felts!
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really nice story Its not my style cos i'm a sit n go player but you do very well. I dont really like full tilt cos players in sit n go are mostly maniacs and dont respect your raises. But i like the auto rebuy option of fulltilt, some pokerrooms dont have this feature.
I will read your updates, i pe you will build up a strong bankroll. After a while if you keep winning like this you must do bankrollmanagement and maybe try to play a limit higher but only if your conident.
After clearing your bonus i think you have to move on to another room soyou can clear their bonus
I think ladbrokes and PKR have the best bonus on the net and the easiest to clear. But you must think whats the best room for your style. Maybe if you keep winning you dont have tochange the room, but keep in mind you cant clear a bonus then.
Joined: Mar '08
Location: Australia
Age: 49 (M)
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keep on keeping on with this strategy.you doing well.full tilt is great site,but a bit annoying when technicall support keep popping up and asking you to make a deposit.
I think that I have to add something to my original post. In the short stack strategy you can´t play small and medium pocket pairs, ONLY the big pairs are playable.
A pair has to be top pair or overpair, otherwise it is not a good idea to put your stack in the pot I think. Since you only hit a set in 12% of the times that you try to hit it, you´ll lose money 88% of the times. 88x 0.10 = $8.80. So if you hit you have to make more then $8.80 to make it a winning situation. But since I never limp, I lose more money if I try to hit a set so this is a virtual situation. But let´s say I hit it 12% of the times and I limped in the pot, I´ll win only $1.20 in blinds. So I have to make over $7.60 every time I hit a set. Since I only have $3 (or a little more) on the table, it is a very very hard task and you are not going to make that money.
Set chasing with small and medium pairs could be a winning play on the short term, on the long run however you´ll lose money on it with this strategy.
Posted by scl1975: keep on keeping on with this strategy.you doing well.full tilt is great site,but a bit annoying when technicall support keep popping up and asking you to make a deposit.
I have never experienced that Technicall Support issue yet.
$40.00 of my bonus is released now, after playing another 1.5 hours. My total Bankroll is now $122. I lost 2 coinflips with AK against an underpair, but the other hands made up for it and gave me a little more then a stack profit.
Joined: Dec '07
Location: Finland
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i used that strategy at nordic bet at nl50 and it worked up very well.i played nl20 and got beaten and then i went to nl50 hold em with 15$ or 20$ and waited a good hand and then allin or a big raise
Did you get that strategy from p***********y.com because it is allmost the same or exactly the same ... i don't know. It is a very good strategy indeed so keep it up and grind ur way up
That's a good strategy of course, but you missed a point there. Why not try some heads up match at the cash games? Indeed if you exceeds well in it. Good luck.
Posted by Boudjeboud: Did you get that strategy from p***********y.com because it is allmost the same or exactly the same ... i don't know. It is a very good strategy indeed so keep it up and grind ur way up
GL
Yes, I think my friend found it on that site!
UPDATE. My 50 bonus dollars are just all released. My total Bankroll is $135 now. The strategy seems to work well!
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[QUOTE]Posted by DVJ-BlueJ: 21st of july 2008.
I buy in for 30 BB on 4 or more 9 handed cash tables. (there are no 10 handed tables at Full Tilt)
Ah you are playing on 4 tables, cause I tried it yesterday but my bonus points didden't go up that fast Gonna try again today on more tables simultaneously and play a little bit more reserved, cause after a few winning hands yesterday i played more aggresive and I lost my winnings again
Joined: May '08
Location: Belgium
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I used the same shortstack strategy on everest few months ago, i went from 10$ to 400$. It really does require discipline. You go up in really small steps but a small step up is better than a step down
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Good stratergy, but i dont get why you leave after dubbling up, if you sit full stack most ppl at the table will only have around the max buy in and at low levels most ppl sit with short stacks so no real need to leave as the only money at risk is what you bring to the table(wich was/is already at risk), also you would have made an image then of only playing big hands so lots of blinds to take, I couldent do what you do its not what i class as poker in poker to stay alive you need to be able to bluff and take out weakl players cus some days you wont get your hands and when you do they can be bad beat, When i spot players playing like this i rob blinds, and will call you with mid range hands(knowing you have a-j) and when low flop comes ill make you pay big. also like you say this takes out the fun, and if it aint fun then it aint worth playing, its a job and for 4 houres work for $20?? just get a part time job. Sorry if this is negative as all the outer post ar posative and I do hope that you continue to win. Its a good way to start a balance but for me that is were it ends, GL money is not everthing.
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[QUOTE]Posted by DVJ-BlueJ: 21st of july 2008.
The level of the players on Full Tilt's lowest limit is not very high. Most of them don't even notice that you play so tight.
So is everyone from BRM trying this strategie in Full Tillt ? I noticed today that alot of people play this way played two tables wich is enough for me now and made a little profit, i don't mind to play even until i got my bonuses
Poeinkie, are you playing during the "happy hours"? Because if not I defiantley suggest doing that, as making 2x in FTPoints really shows a difference in clearing a bonus that you can see. Just suggesting in case you weren't, than again I don't know what time they would be on in the Netherlands so now I just appear to be rambling on lol.
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Posted by B1gfoot: Good stratergy, but i dont get why you leave after dubbling up
The short stack strategy calls for that. After you have doubled up you have to many BB to continue. A shortstacker usually plays only preflop and on the flop and dont have to worry about later streets because he is already all-in at the flop. More or less a tourney strategy in a cashgame. You cant do this with 50+ BB.
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Posted by chipchart: Poeinkie, are you playing during the "happy hours"? Because if not I defiantley suggest doing that, as making 2x in FTPoints really shows a difference in clearing a bonus that you can see. Just suggesting in case you weren't, than again I don't know what time they would be on in the Netherlands so now I just appear to be rambling on lol.
No i don't I logged in this morning (1,5 hours ago) to look at some games before going to work and I saw the message that it was Happy Hour so i think it is for me in the middle of the night and early morning Maybe something for the weekend
DVJ-BlueJ 
Gonna try again today on more tables simultaneously and play a little bit more reserved, cause after a few winning hands yesterday i played more aggresive and I lost my winnings again 
