Joined: May '13
Location: United Kingdom
Age: 37 (M)
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In my honest opinion I think poker is the worst game available for online gambling. Some of the b******t I see is unreal and it's the same thing over and over again. Like it is put on repeat. Skill means nothing at all. Poker is supposed to be a game where skill is always more than luck(I know it's a bit of both), but online its the other way around, it is full of actually b******t.
You can go along with everyone else and scream variance to everyone who says no but it always comes down to bollocks luck from bollocks calls or shite people do. Variance is just a word people use to justify losing to suckouts and bad odds or whatever, but it's more prominent then it should be. I bloody love this game but some of the crap I see happens is some of the strangest crap I see.Obviously if I lose to my own stupidity(Which I do a lot of the times) then the losses are fine, or even if I have the odd variance losses due to odds and stuff, but I see the same crap from useless players who are always bound to lose over and over hitting luck and miracle odd's.
I don't know how everyone else feels or thinks on the matter but it is starting to really get to me lately, especially when I know 90% of the time I am better and will always beat that villain and it is true(I am not a great poker player but I know half of the people I play are nothing). Another bankroll gone when playing great in the end. Never mind, wipe it off and carry on another day. Just wanted to get this off my chest.
Joined: May '08
Location: Germany
Age: 59 (M)
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Take a break from the tables, those beats really got to you. You are not the first player on the wrong side of the variance of the games, and you will not be the last one suffering.
Joined: May '13
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It's not just beats it's just the constant crap and same things time and time. It's like I am in deja'vue land and you always know what is coming. To be honest nothing got to me while I have been playing(Which it used to do really bad) lately but I lose more to rubbish player and idiots then I do to my own stupidity or better players ect. I am not moaning or crying rape rigged at all, and I can take the usual beats and stuff but lately it seems to be the same types of players and loses and stuff that keeps happening.
Maybe you are right and I need a break, but I have played some of my best poker this last few weeks but I still lose to crap. Just fed up and wanted to semi vent I guess...
Joined: May '12
Location: United Kingdom
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You can only judge things in long term... and over the long term, good players will do well, and bad players will do bad.
Cannot stress enough how important bankroll management is - you can never lose an entire bankroll through bad luck - just bad bankroll management. Chances are, there is a leak in your game that you're unaware of... You must identify it as soon as possible, then plug it.
Joined: Mar '11
Location: United Kingdom
Age: 55 (M)
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I think you need to take a good break from the game and if you still feel the same way when you return, you should just stop playing. Unless you are playing for a living, poker should be about enjoyment and if you are not enjoying it you should leave it alone all together. Good luck on whatever you decide to do
How come you are so sure that you are good enough to be a winning player? I'm not saying that you're not, but I struggle with this question myself, while never having lost a bankroll, en never having a downswing of more than 15 buyins. I still don't know if I'll be profitable in the long run...
Joined: May '08
Location: Lithuania
Age: 39 (M)
Posts: 10090
if it makes you any happier- yeah poker is a bullsh1t game. so is blackjack, and roulette also craps, keno, backgammon, let it ride, slots, big wheel, pai gow, bingo even coin tossing is utter bullsh1t. then there is sports betting- total and utmost bullsh1t. everything is rigged and smells like BS.
We talked over this poker can be cruel,.. And when u see week after week bad beads and u play your a game, Its hard to keep going..... but iff u play youre a game it should turn around eventually. Not saying winning the tournament but atleast making profit.
Joined: Jan '14
Location: Netherlands
Age: 34 (M)
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Well, to be honest I feel the same a bit... Not so bad as you because I'm probably less experienced and playing at lower stakes, but when I compare to others, more often than not, I got more skill! There could indeed very well be a weak spot you aren't aware of right now, then that's like impossible to see that yourself. Not that you aren't good enough but if you're doing something wrong than correcting yourself would be kind of impossible, if you know what I'm saying.
Those crap things like if you're ahead on the flop and you know it and he calls with air to hit his runner runner and takes all your chips, well that happens too much and it's very disapointing if someone says it shouldn't be that way in he long run. That's not true!
On the contrary, in live poker it can not be that those crap things happen a lot of times, maybe that's a great option for you!
Joined: Apr '09
Location: Australia
Age: 40 (M)
Posts: 6483
And another losing player can't face reality.. ego is a wonderful thing ain't it??
Sucks to suck. But hey - at least all you people that suck continue to make this game worthwhile playing for the rest of us. So truly, keep on sucking.
Joined: May '13
Location: United Kingdom
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And you keep being the condescending cunt your always are Jess.
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Posted by yout85: You can only judge things in long term... and over the long term, good players will do well, and bad players will do bad.
Cannot stress enough how important bankroll management is - you can never lose an entire bankroll through bad luck - just bad bankroll management. Chances are, there is a leak in your game that you're unaware of... You must identify it as soon as possible, then plug it.
This 100% actually. BRM and not raising/folding enough is some of my biggest leaks.
Joined: Feb '13
Location: United Kingdom
Age: 47 (F)
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Jess has a way of saying things eh
But essentially he is right. You are losing because you 1) have leaks you have identified and 2) have leaks you haven't identified.
And because of those two reasons, you are a losing player.
Only you can change that...
I am on a horrid downswing atm on one site. £110 GBP out of a £500 BR over about 45 days. I am buying in for a max of £3. It is truly soul sapping. And tonight I joined a 200 person FR on the site, top 3 win £110. I came 4th after watching the two shorties double up over and over again (including 37o v AKs aipf and 77 hitting the flop) and eventually having to shove with AT, crashing straight into AJ. Once the guttedness went (took about 20 mins), I dusted myself off, stuck to my plan (clear my 50 points for promo then withdraw all, and playing elsewhere where I am not running bad).
I was only able to do this because I truly believe (I don't think you do), that its variance, that I can beat the game (mainly by using promo's and bonus). Know your strengths and play to them, make sure you have the BR to support what you play and work harder to get better!
Joined: May '13
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He is still a d**k though. Talking about ego when he has the biggest on this forum.
Indeed. I never said I was a winning player though, although it is obvious I could well be one day(Small winnings at least) but as you know not sticking to BRM and stake jumping is always my biggest weakness regardless of my other weakness's or leaks, but as you say small stakes is soul sapping.
On the plus side I never rarely deposit much so I am not a massive losing player just the odd rare $10 deposits's or free bankrolls. Anyway, this wasent a moaning thread just me trying to state how online poker can be utter b******t and get my rage off my chest as I was obviously angry when I wrote it, but not my usual crying or whatever.
Joined: Feb '12
Location: Canada
Age: 64 (M)
Posts: 6036
... ah,...don't mind Jesse,...he's an Aussie,...they're a little rough around the edges...! ya know... with the outback thing,...and the sharks and all that...Foster's Beer...lol....
...Personally,...I'm currently entwined in a love - hate relationship with this alluring phenomenon....
...and like I ALWAYS say,..."$H!T Happens...!"
(now where is there a little poopy curly-cue emoticon complete with buzzing flies,...and maybe a sprinkling of corn,..or maybe peanuts is yer preferewnce... when ya need one... )
Joined: Mar '09
Location: Portugal
Age: 57 (M)
Posts: 1703
Sometimes I feel the same even question myself why I love so much to play
Poker can be cruel but it can also be rewarding it´s a roller coast of emotions a love /hate relation but at least for me the pleasure that I take from it overcomes the pain
Joined: Feb '12
Location: Canada
Age: 64 (M)
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Posted by tonespoker: Hey, I'll have you know that Fosters is not only a terrible beer, literally NO ONE in Australia drinks it.
...so THAT's why Canada was flooded with the stuff through the '90s and early 2000s...
They even had that Crocodile Dundee dude on TV peddling it along with the Aussie persona to all the Aussie wannabees that seem to emerge in droves around here in those years...
...PLEASE don't tell me that nobody down there listens to AC/DC either... or Little River Band for that matter...
Fosters is owned by a NZ company and we do not drink it either.
Re poker, I agree with most of the above (basically all less Jess), take a break, do some reading, do some hand analysis, find and plug those holes, implement some bankroll management, drop down a level until roll recovers.
Most inexperienced players call too much, you should be folding around 80% on a full table pre-flop, and then less as the player number decrease and your hand ranges expands.
Most inexperienced players raise too much, both in number of times and in chip value, this style of play polarises your range and good player will take advantage over time.
Not all players that showdown crap or look like a donkey are actually donkeys, they maybe or they may be setting up a play, trying to distinguish the two and using it to your advantage is the key.
