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I'm sorry to say but your play didn't make much sense whatsoever Definitely 3bet smaller if you 3bet, I personally would prefer flatting, but that depends on tendencies of villains and I obv. don't know them. 3betting that big will commit you to the flatter with 20BB, and KQo with a healthy stack is surely not a situation you want to play for stacks including an UTG raise and a short flat caller (suspecious). Especially because you're OTB and have position postflop, I see no reason why to commit yourself in that spot.
I wanted to isolate FISH in that eventually went all in - to my right. I had the best hand i don't see a reason why i wouldnt want that...
FFS i had UTG dont get it why they are even IN THE FREAKING POT.
You offered no explanation as to why they called, you just said i played it bad. my last three hands were KK AA and AKs - thats how i got 7k in the first place and had freaking tight image that i wanted to use yet i get no respect. How it is bad play? How will i get freaking chips if i can0t isolate anyone ?
Its freaking weird and i dont get why they called. I played live last couple of months 100eur and 50 eur tournaments and i did GREAT. My first ever 50 eur tourney i finished 3rd out of 25 players cause i set a trap with AKs and got beaten by a9off. Yet online i can't win an MTT for the love of god.
You say my play was bad and i got in with best hand, wtf? How was their play then? PRO? IF fkn donk plays 7 pots in a row then i fucking KNOW my KQ is crushing his range.
Edited by xdomagojx (27 September 2014 @ 00:18 GMT)
http://www.boomplayer.com/en/poker-hands/Boom/11002382_... - got up to 30k then time for little cooller, ok - hand later i got out AK vs 910 all in preflop. was i ahead? Action went i raise UTG+1 he reraises from mid i ship it he calls 910 wins
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Posted by fcumred: You didn't have the best hand you idiot..
Unnecessary. Go and play your flip SNGs, the only thing you can at least breakeven pre rake.
As for the other post, why would I explain why they called? You (should and at least I hope so) know yourself that it's bad play by them. However, that's not what a player should worry about. Of course you can iso players, but this was definitely not the right spot for it with a UTG raise and a relativly short flat caller. Live MTT results do rarely matter, you will need hundreds (or in MTT case,especially in large fields, thousands) of tournaments played to show you are 100% a winning player, like it or not, it's the truth and a fact.
If you can't take critisicm then better dont post anything at all, because I will def. not feel sorry for a single one of them, and neither should anyone else (everyone gets sucked out regulary, why feel sorry for someone for something that happens to everyone anyways?)
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Why are they calling? Short answer is they are bad players. But you suggest that the player to your right has been playing bad for a while so I find bad play tends to encourage more bad play. Sadly that includes you.
You might not want to admit it but you shouldn't have got involved. If you thought that the fish would call with any two then that would make him possibly live or maybe ahead with a low ace. There's no need to risk your stack. No matter how inviting it appears to get your stack in with a fish, the key is to wait for the cards. KQ is not the dream hand it seems in this position.
And given that utg min-raised and called your raise you had to believe he was going all the way. You don't want to get it in 4 ways with KQ in an mtt. It's a lottery and you played it. Should have waited for the fish to knock themselves out or for a better spot to take the free chips. But you were greedy and saw the buffet open lol.
It all comes down too luck that's online poker i had Ak and lost too K10 the best hand pre flop was A7 i had AJ and lose too A7 all in pre flop or people hitting 2 outers on the river against your trips that's poker deal with it
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I can understand the 3 bet on the button - maybe for not so much since you didn't have a made hand, but it was the button and the 2 bet wasn't scary.....but then you overplayed your hand. with draw cards I want to see the flop first.
I know im not a profitable player as I play bugger all with money, but if I can see whats wrong then shouldn't that say something?
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The real question is, why did you play the hand the way you did. Your play makes no sense either. If you would complain that a big pocket pair was beaten, i could understand it, but you just had KQo.
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simple answer would be : because they can. no really, some things need no explanation, as long as someone is allowed to do somoething, even if to you that might look like the stupdest thing ever, there will be people doing so
you should be happy that people are calling shoves with those hands, but on the other hand, you shouldnt be too happy with you calling shoves with KQo though, while you still had a perfectly playable stack
if you were a bit shorter, id say go for it, but not with your current stack.
Edited by Theapple (27 September 2014 @ 09:20 GMT)
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I cant explain why so many of them called. Your play was okay but the others must have been feeling reckless or drunk to make these calls. Some tables attract these players and it is just down to dumb luck sometimes
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Why are they calling? This is my view of possible reasons:
- This is a long tournament with a reasonably low BI and they want to go big or go home. I play freerolls in this way, early on I want to double or triple up with the first two decent cards I get, and if I do then I know I will go deep, and if I lose I get to do other things.
- Inexperienced players
- They don't believe your button raise and think you are just trying to muscle them off of what is already a nice pot. I had this happen earlier this week in cash game play with KK on the button, six limpers and I raise big, everyone folds but button thinks I am just trying to steal the pot. He shoves with J7s, I call and he flops two pair. At NL100. Donks are everywhere.
- Girlfriend just walked into the room wearing sexy lingerie she just bought and player thinks "Fcuk this poker sh!t, ALL IN!"
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Well if you losing money then maybe it is time to stop playing poker or go to play the freeroll like me, lost some bankroll so not much cash game nowadays more freerolls and the occasional sngs from time to time after work!
Anyway good luck if you really want to make money in poker you should start eliminating leaks and read the basics up again and move up, you should be disciplined and have a plan. Well good luck mate hope you do succeed in poker!
Posted by Heskor: Well if you losing money then maybe it is time to stop playing poker or go to play the freeroll like me, lost some bankroll so not much cash game nowadays more freerolls and the occasional sngs from time to time after work!
Anyway good luck if you really want to make money in poker you should start eliminating leaks and read the basics up again and move up, you should be disciplined and have a plan. Well good luck mate hope you do succeed in poker!
Well you nailed it with discipline and plan.
Went on huge tilt yesterday and busted out 6 tournaments in a row with same scenario. Went all in as a favorite but gave them good pot odds to call, i get it now i was hot headed.
Cheers and thx for all the feedback.
@BemyATMplease - i agree now with your first post, that was surely optimal play and best post so far. I went all psycho when i saw their hands.
------------ Ok, need another advice.
I'm so dumb so i dont know how to improve this play:
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Posted by xdomagojx:
Posted by Heskor: Well if you losing money then maybe it is time to stop playing poker or go to play the freeroll like me, lost some bankroll so not much cash game nowadays more freerolls and the occasional sngs from time to time after work!
Anyway good luck if you really want to make money in poker you should start eliminating leaks and read the basics up again and move up, you should be disciplined and have a plan. Well good luck mate hope you do succeed in poker!
Well you nailed it with discipline and plan.
Went on huge tilt yesterday and busted out 6 tournaments in a row with same scenario. Went all in as a favorite but gave them good pot odds to call, i get it now i was hot headed.
Cheers and thx for all the feedback.
@BemyATMplease - i agree now with your first post, that was surely optimal play and best post so far. I went all psycho when i saw their hands.
------------ Ok, need another advice.
I'm so dumb so i dont know how to improve this play:
------------ HE HAS SAME CHIP STACK, HE IS OUT OF POSITION HE S FACING CALL AND RERAISE WTF IS GOING ON.
First one he is an idiot but has the outs to call since he had straight and flush draw's and chasers always hit their draws on the river in freerolls or small money MTT's. Just unlucky tbh.
Second one is standard big stack always winning in coin flips against smaller stacks. Seriously though those other two guys were always going to call and 99 isnt a guaranteed win.
