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do u think this was too loose? guy who flatted was loose and bad player and second i saw him just calling i said to myself i got him with AT so i shoved....
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To be honest, I think you should have folded that hand. AT, even tho it might look good and is generally a decent hand to play from late position, those raises are just to big and the fact that two people had already called is just to scary. I mean, you were looking at a flip at best against three different opponents, that's just not worth it.
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Posted by erru9107: To be honest, I think you should have folded that hand. AT, even tho it might look good and is generally a decent hand to play from late position, those raises are just to big and the fact that two people had already called is just to scary. I mean, you were looking at a flip at best against three different opponents, that's just not worth it.
i dont worry about 4bb all in and player with ante all in
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I can agree that the third player with almost no stack isn't a big threat, but even if you would have isolated that other player, it's still 1/3 of your stack committed to a pot where you have a hand that is at best a decent hand to make a flip with.
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You can't expect to be ahead of both the players in the hand (i don't count the shorty). Even if the 4BB player should push lightly, the guy acting after him should have a decent hand. And AT isn't that much of a monster. Good to push, but i would be reluctant to call with it.
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Posted by erru9107: I can agree that the third player with almost no stack isn't a big threat, but even if you would have isolated that other player, it's still 1/3 of your stack committed to a pot where you have a hand that is at best a decent hand to make a flip with.
This is definately true. At the absolute best you can expect to flip (I hate in turbo's how people manage to get that far by playing KJ in those spots) against the guy you re-shoved against. That really wasn't necessary, considering you had position post flop (something that wouldn't really matter if it were just you and him post flop, but is completely obsolete now). His flat call of the UTG shove does suggest a range you beat, but you're really only ever beating the bottom of his range. And with the huge side pot to content for now that you have built with a weak-ish hand when you're all in, it's worth taking the flop and shoving post flop than re-shoving pre-flop.
As it was the UTG shover has AJ, so 90% of aces that you flop are useless (without a T), unless you can build a side pot against the UTG+1 player, which is either not going to happen if the flop comes A high (excluding some draws, of course), or something like K K x. Your best chance to double is to probably shove preflop (given that we know all the hands), but if we do not then I think a fold is best almost all of the time.
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I think it is really a fifty fifty decision. If you had only 5 big blinds an all in is definitely the only right move.With 10 big blinds I would not always go all in if I find a hand. But if you feel comfortable with AT an all in is OK.
