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That`s why I decided to give it a shot again, because you can find multiple tables anytime, so you don`t have to play with someone if it does not suit you at the moment. I am thinking about playing freerolls only until I`m up enough to play at higher limits because lower limits are suckouts all the time. Poor players get such flops that they won`t fold, partially because they are poor players and will chase open ended straight draws even if you go allin and such hands, pot odds are non existent to them, and Pokerstars keep rewarding them for stupidity. As I said I`m glad that at least higher limits are not bound to this rule.
EDIT: People, It was my fault to begin first post in this thread mentioning pocket odds and wins percentages, but please take time to read LONGER posts and then comment.
It is ok that I lose on paired flop but losing my set to runner straights or flushes is stupid and not to mention caller A-rag boats or two pairs against your AK.
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Posted by Predobar: That`s why I decided to give it a shot again, because you can find multiple tables anytime, so you don`t have to play with someone if it does not suit you at the moment. I am thinking about playing freerolls only until I`m up enough to play at higher limits because lower limits are suckouts all the time. Poor players get such flops that they won`t fold, partially because they are poor players and will chase open ended straight draws even if you go allin and such hands, pot odds are non existent to them, and Pokerstars keep rewarding them for stupidity. As I said I`m glad that at least higher limits are not bound to this rule.
EDIT: People, It was my fault to begin first post in this thread mentioning pocket odds and wins percentages, but please take time to read LONGER posts and then comment.
It is ok that I lose on paired flop but losing my set to runner straights or flushes is stupid and not to mention caller A-rag boats or two pairs against your AK.
Predobar don't you realize that you WANT your opponents to play that way? Calling big bets when they are 2 to 1 underdogs is what will let you win their money in the long run. Or would you prefer that your opponents would play perfectly against you?
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Ok I want them to play that way. Here is one hand I got dealt in meantime. I have Kc-10c UTG and i raise min, get 2 callers blinds fold. Flop Q-something-something all clubs. I check since im first to act and player first behind me raise 2xBB or less then 1/3 of pot. 3rd guy folds and I am thinking how much to raise and go allin. Guy calls with no thinking whatsoever and shows 8c-8d. What do You think came on turn and river? Turn Q River 8 Getting my point here?
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I like to watch the big players and have also noticed that its not quite the same with "action flop", there, but in fairness most pots are won pre-flop.
Thats why I watched FL game instead of NL because there are more showdowns and I saw sick pockets being played, like 8-3 off from big blind and someone chasing trips or two pairs to river but they usually lost the hand without sucking out on floped top pairs and those 2 players were out in less then 20 minutes playing that kind of poker. Sorry forgot to post this in previous post, was really tired.
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this is HILARIOUS
a) pokerstars isnt rigged b) ur sample is tiny c) ur probably playing bad and on tilt and crying when u lose d) learn to lay down ur hand when ur BEAT e) everyone has downswings, some peoples downswings last MONTHS, learn to grind it out.... f) quit poker if u cant handle variance, we dont need to hear ur fictional whines. g) learn to play TAG, only raising/calling with 10-15% of ur hands, play for 2 weeks and see u win a lot if u play properly.
so funny how people claim things are rigged
learn bankroll management and these things wont effect you.
your a great candidate for someone who takes 30-100% of their roll to a table at one time then crys when they get badbeat and cant reload.
ur just a losing player - accept it. sit on my table and spew ur chips to me.
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I just had a downswing of allmost 5000 hands on Ipoker so im pretty sure you can not base a theory on a sample of 4000 hands. Imo you would need ATLEAST 50-100K hands before you can make any conclusions.
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i had a downswing of 30,000 hands once and lost 27 buyins.....
however, i did not contemplated the fair gaming of the website, i instead contemplated my skills as a poker player, analysed my hands to see if i was getting in with +EV, and if i was, i cant complain, only wait for the downswing to turn into a heater.
safe to say i broke even over the next 20k hands and carried on making steady profits afterwards.
learn to ride out the bad beats and be happy people play as bad as the Original poster of this thread, and take their chips.
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im not getting personal i just dont think its fair that this imbecile can rant about his bad play and try to effect others by telling them pokerstars is rigged, how can that be good for a poker community? hes making poker sound like gambling where in reality its more of a sport with variance, thats all....
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I'm gettin tired of pople saying online poker is rigged
1 online poker isnot rigged 2 nobody can see your cards (unibet and absolute was just 1 incident) 3 pokerrooms dont deal AA and KK in 1 hand to make high rake 4 blablabla 5 blablabla
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doomdy we wont ever hear the end of it because people wont see the truth - they suck at online poker and cant handle variance. thats all there is to it....
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In fairness I dont think, or at least cant find were he says its rigged, he has gave an opinion based on 4k+ within a short time, reguarding the Action flop THEORY, and his stats back his opnion, maby just a downswing I agree dont think poker is rigged, however ppl do cheat on sites, FACT, and this can make some ppl feel as if its the site conning you, well I do when they say the action they will take is to say dont do it again!!!! fk im tempted to cheat with this sort of consequence. Im unsure how ppl say this is down to bad play, its unfair to judge a site after evaluationg 4k hands, but ok to judge a player after seeing 1 0r 2 posted hands We all have the right to opnions, we can all judge for ouselvs, I wouder how many ppl said pottriper and co was a load of BS, I wouder if it would have been keept hiddin if he didnt release the vids. GL all, the truth is out there,(1 more for the files)
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iHasReads, ADACTA and doomdy. I`ll keep this post short maybe you will read it then. I STOPPED TALKING ABOUT 4000 HANDS in my 4th post and this turned into people getting sucked out NOT only me. No I am not complaining about me losing there but hands that are being dealt and how poor players get flops that they wont fold, ex. poor player hits his A on flop and he wont fold it no matter what you do, and I OR someone else get flop that he must raise, ex. same A but with high kicker, and poor player hits his rag. THAT IS THE ISSUE IN THIS THREAD NOT ME LOSING MONEY. And one more thing iHasReads, READ, all your answers are there, I told in one post that I lowered bankroll management percentages when I saw what kind of hands are being dealt. Before You insult someone at least try to read posts he made after first one, OK. Read them and then I would like to see what strong words you have to say. BUT READ. doomdy: When did I said they deal AA against KK. Flops commented are far more complex then those hands. Same as iHasReads, READ POSTS
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so basically your whole thread is about u bitching because u got sucked out on because u didnt raise enough preflop so junk called u and hit their junk.
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Come on iHasReads calling someone an imbecile is quite personal let's try and make it an friendly discussion inspite of dif opinions. We are all here to learn and discus poker related stuff
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Ok fair do's, but new players reading material that OP posted is only going to put fear into their game and cause them to play bad, its not educational and its not helpful....
