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  5-Aug-08, 21:24   #1
Cash Game vs. Tournament Play 0 
Divinitas 
Joined: Jul '08
Location: Germany
Age: 38 (M)
Posts: 67
Hi guys,

some days ago I was bored, so I looked up my tournament results for several of my accounts on sharkscope. It was not really a surprise to me to see, that I do not really make money through tourneys. If I add wins and losses, its a zero sum game for me. Funnily when I started to play poker ( Like 5 years ago ) my tournament play was more profitable than now.

I do not have a problem to beat the game at0,50/1$ and 1/2$ NLH shorthanded, but I just dont have the patience for full field tournaments with 10 player tables.
Im always doing fine if I manage to reach the final phase by accident, when the blinds are high and the play is trickier, but in general I tend to bust out early because I am bored, or people turn the whole tourney into a push or fold festival with any ace, any pair and any two facecards.
And as we all know, even if you hold KK, if you are all in against 4 people with random holdings, there is a good chance to bust out.

Maybe somebody has some tricks I could adapt to stay focussed, some things he/she is doing ( take a shower, sing, write a book) while sitting there and waiting for 1500 orbits for a hand to arrive / a situation where there are not 9 people all in in front of you, you holding QQ.


Maybe something like the notes I pinned to my screen, telling me " Do not fucking tilt!" Big Smile




     
  5-Aug-08, 21:37   #2
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shokaku 

Joined: May '08
Location: Germany
Age: 55 (M)
Posts: 6692
Sounds a lot like freeroll tourneys. If you play those, don't wait for the rockets. Try to build a nice stack early, even if you must use lesser hands. You will bust out early a lot, but it does not matter. Just go to the next tourney.

     
  5-Aug-08, 22:29   #3
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LoGiX 
Joined: Feb '08
Location: Switzerland
Age: 30 (M)
Posts: 210
As for me, I like multitabling and internet surfing while I'm waiting interesting hands. However, I think that multitabling short handed tables isn't a good idea because profiling is more important at these tables.

     
  6-Aug-08, 00:29   #4
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Divinitas 
Joined: Jul '08
Location: Germany
Age: 38 (M)
Posts: 67
No no, lol, I dont play freerolls, but up to buy ins of 30 $ its a donkfest.
Just happened to me again like five minutes ago at the redkings Brazil 10,000 $ guaranteed rebuy.
Middle phase, blinds 150/300, my stack 4,900, im in the BB with JJ. No limps in early positions, raise to 900 out of CO by lag player , raise all in from sb with 1400 by a kamikaze, I reraise the raiser all in who has like 7000 to shut him out or win a sidepot. This idiot calls.

Me: JJ
Raiser ( obviously somebody playing with his d**k, not his brain ): AsJs
Sb: Kc5c

Board: Kh3s7c 9s Ah

I lose to both. Thats what Im talking about. Of course its math, but as I stated, when ure all in against the whole table even ur highest Pocket pairs lose value.

God, donkism hurts so much....
Id love to challenge one of these idiots in a HU cashgame. But of course theyd never play that.

     
  6-Aug-08, 05:52   #5
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scl1975 

Joined: Mar '08
Location: Australia
Age: 44 (M)
Posts: 1158
poker is a cruel master.just keep trying and one day it will click,think better cash tables for you action all the time so bored not so easy. Blink

     
  6-Aug-08, 05:56   #6
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shokaku 

Joined: May '08
Location: Germany
Age: 55 (M)
Posts: 6692
But it was soooted. Big Smile

Play from all three is questionable. Shorty had to do something soon. But pushing with K5s after a raise is not a good idea, he had no fold equity against the bigstack. Against two opponents JJ is not a good hand. It is hart, but you should have considered folding here. Call from the bigstack is also very optimistic, but tourneys today are won by risk takers.

     
  6-Aug-08, 08:17   #7
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GeneYuss 

Joined: Jan '08
Location: Canada
Age: 32 (M)
Posts: 2697
I have the same problem when I play 9 man sngs on Pokerstars. I play 4 at a time now and throw in some turbos in there and maybe 1 or 2 6handed depending how fast action is going.

     
  6-Aug-08, 12:30   #8
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GamblinDemon 
Joined: Jun '08
Location: Italy
Age: 37 (M)
Posts: 411
Posted by Divinitas:
Hi guys,

some days ago I was bored, so I looked up my tournament results for several of my accounts on sharkscope. It was not really a surprise to me to see, that I do not really make money through tourneys. If I add wins and losses, its a zero sum game for me. Funnily when I started to play poker ( Like 5 years ago ) my tournament play was more profitable than now.

I do not have a problem to beat the game at0,50/1$ and 1/2$ NLH shorthanded, but I just dont have the patience for full field tournaments with 10 player tables.
Im always doing fine if I manage to reach the final phase by accident, when the blinds are high and the play is trickier, but in general I tend to bust out early because I am bored, or people turn the whole tourney into a push or fold festival with any ace, any pair and any two facecards.
And as we all know, even if you hold KK, if you are all in against 4 people with random holdings, there is a good chance to bust out.

Maybe somebody has some tricks I could adapt to stay focussed, some things he/she is doing ( take a shower, sing, write a book) while sitting there and waiting for 1500 orbits for a hand to arrive / a situation where there are not 9 people all in in front of you, you holding QQ.


Maybe something like the notes I pinned to my screen, telling me " Do not fucking tilt!" Big Smile





Hey man i've got the solution Big Smile you just download your favourite tv show or even better the show you've always wanted to watch but never had time to.... well... watch that and play like a robot

     
  6-Aug-08, 18:35   #9
  0 
fochizza 

Joined: May '08
Location: Belgium
Age: 35 (M)
Posts: 467
I usually play atleast 1 cash table together with a s&g, you just focus on the cash tables and only play premiums in the s&g.
When there are only 6 players left you switch to your shorthand game Smile

     
  7-Aug-08, 13:31   #10
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GamblinDemon 
Joined: Jun '08
Location: Italy
Age: 37 (M)
Posts: 411
Posted by fochizza:
I usually play atleast 1 cash table together with a s&g, you just focus on the cash tables and only play premiums in the s&g.
When there are only 6 players left you switch to your shorthand game Smile


It's good too, i do that when i don't have anything to watch.... like it's been happening these days since i have watched 11 seasons of south park Big Smile

     
  8-Aug-08, 00:43   #11
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mkillerPL 
Joined: Jan '08
Location: Poland
Age: 57 (M)
Posts: 32
i;m good cash table player, but I couldn;t play mtt tournaments. i have got high ROI in sit and go tournaments ( 14%) but I couldn;t win big money in mtt tournaments. I ussually play cash table game, i play LAG and sometimes when I play mtt I playtoo loose or too tight and I leave tournaments on bubble. what should i do? play only cash table and sit&go?

     
  8-Aug-08, 02:03   #12
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GeneYuss 

Joined: Jan '08
Location: Canada
Age: 32 (M)
Posts: 2697
I seen Brad Booth's video on youtube and he plays 1 $5000 headsup sng and I think a cash game table at the same time. He lost 5k in just a few hands, nothing much he can do, had ace king vs 7s and he hit ace or king on turn but other guy hit a set on flop.

     
  14-Aug-08, 18:42   #13
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Divinitas 
Joined: Jul '08
Location: Germany
Age: 38 (M)
Posts: 67
Ha!

I need to be sick more often. Yesterday and today I had a mean headache, so I couldnt really focus on the cashgame. So I decided to play a 4,000 guaranteed for 27,50$ ( buy in keeps away the worst of the "I push in first position with 22" donks ) at cake poker.

And guess what: I was able to focus on this slow poker.

Result: First place, taking down 960$!

Maybe I should change my opinion on mtts....

But only play them when Im sick. Big Smile

     
  14-Aug-08, 18:58   #14
  0 
Poeinkie 

Joined: May '08
Location: Netherlands
Age: 38 (F)
Posts: 314
That's nicely done ! I've been thinking to do the same get me a free bankroll at a site like cakepoker and play a few bigger tournament i can't wait to participate in a tournament where not 5 people go all-in first hand Blink

     
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