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Insurance is only a matter if Hellmuth is playing. HSP lives from the characters of the players. A lot of silent and tight types like Harman and it is boring. Bring in the degen gamlers and it can be fun to watch.
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20/17/4....20=V$pip voluntary put in pot.......17=PFR preflop raise........4=total aggression factor these are the 3 main factors you judge your opponents play on. At NL25-50 it can be very profitable to be the table bully but at NL100-200 people start playing back at you so I tighten up a bit.
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You can really bully people at NL25 or 50
Usually those guys call everything with everything. Pushing them of a hand is hard and my best way to make money against them is to get my monsters paid.
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Yeah the NL10-50 are hard to bluff but alot of the regulars play weak tight game so they can be bullied. But ABC-poker is probably the best aproach untill you got some history with them. Thin valuebets gives a litlle extra
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Yep. ABC-poker is the way to go untill you know your opponents. After a while you then can start to call lighter on the river. This gives a little extra.
A lot of opponents fold to decent bets after the flop, but go crazy if checked to them.
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I'm good with my ABCs lol. I like to play a lot of tables at once cause if I don't than I play too lose, I get bored easy.
M3turbo,
20/17/4, so 20% of the time you to vol put money in the pot, 17% you raise preflop and 4 is just a number they made up? If someone had number 1 agress factor does that mean they're tight or loose?
Can you see the numbers before you sit down at the table? But only if you played them before? Whats your ideal opponent's numbers? Would you rather play a tight player or a loose player? I think sometimes I rather face tight player cause I know what he has.
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Sorry Vpip+PFR are both preflop stats. I voluntary participate in the pot 20% of my hands, I raise 17% this leaves 3% which I call. Total aggression factor is calculated by your aggression factor on each street(can't remember if it's just the average of the 3 streets or how it is).
Preferred villain stats, all depends. If vpip is over 30 you know villain is playing to many hands and therefor shouldn't be given the same respect as a TAG'ish player so you can double barrel him lighter. If his PFR is over 20-25 villain is opening light so he can be 3bettet lighter. If total aggresion factor is over 5 villain is overaggressive and you should fight fire with fire.
Favourite villain stats must be something like 50/4/1 he plays half of the hands he's being dealt and he only raises AA/KK/QQ/JJ/TT/AKs/AQs this means he limps 46% of his hands which ofcourse is terrible I will raise him over and over again to try and isolate him pre so I can play the hand HU in pos vs him. He doesn't take initiative so all the times he misses I pick it up and when he shows resistance you know for sure that he has a monster so you just fold. If he raises pre you also know he has a monster but doesn't mean you should fold but play a selective range against him. Cards that can crush his A-class cards something like suit con+small pockets for sets you know if you hit flop you will stack him so you got pretty sick implied odds. Hmmm that got a litlle long I better stop now
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I guess the biggest problem could be to isolate that type of player (the 50/4/1). The others at the table will notice his way of play too. And naturly this is for shorthanded tables only.
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No I just sit at random table haha ofcourse I use table selection which I also stated, but when playing 4 tables there are limits to how picky you can be with your table.
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Thanks for the info M3turbo. I find new players like to limp in a lot. When I play home game with family, they always limp in, only raising when they have a monster. They always get drunk too so we have to cancel the game lol.
I heard Chris Ferguson saying he never limped into a pot during one of his tournaments, I think he said if its worth playing, its worth raising. I see you usually don't limp in a lot, I think that's good. Limping in is usually a bad idea but I see Phil Ivey limp in a lot so maybe its advanced play.
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Sure mate. Like shokaku said all im talking about is 6 handed since it's the only game I play. In 6 max limping is a leak which should be punished by a raise. If im sitting at a table with no FE and 3 limpers behind me who are short I might limp along with 22-66/connectors but mostly I see a limp as a mistake. I could imagine Ivey limping to see flop cheap cause the other players know that such a good player would not limp unless he has a hand so they don't punish his limp due to respect of him just a hunch. I think twice when the tightest player at table(8/8/2) suddenly limps UTG for the first time then I know something smells wrong not that it has anything to do with Ivey I wouldn't call him tight
Sounds like a great family with drunk homegames and all
Chris Ferguson is imo a very strong player probably way underrated or what ever you call it. He's a great player and his statement about if it's good enough to play it's good enough to raise is spot on especially on 6max or HU. But I think he "stole" it from Harrington or Sklansky book can't remember.
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Yep. 6max raising first-in is the usual play. You may decide to limp behind if another player had limped in. Open limping is either a bad player or a trap.
Ivey likes to limp in, cause he thinks he has an edge after the flop. But those guys have played countless hours against each other. So mixing up their game is vital to them.
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I seen on poker after dark, Ivey limped in a lot but he also limped in with his monsters too so I guess its timing too. I also seen Daniel Negreanu only limp in, never raised, I guess his small ball strategy. And when someone limped in Hellmuth said, thats "advanced play". shokaku, I guess you're right, they think have an advantage after the flop. I know Daniel has a crazy reading ability. Like, he can sense if they are weak or strong. Only problem he has is, when he faces a new player, they don't know how strong Daniel is so Daniel senses they're really strong which is right read but not the right decision. Hard to explain.
