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I often say that there was many players that would call any bet with suited cards but i did not know we had forum reg. in this bunch.
I just got out of a tournaments the blinds were 30/60 i have A Q she call 60.00 i raised to 240.00 and she called on the flop 5c Ds 8h come so i bet the pot she called the turn come 4h i bet the pot and she raised i call i am all in. We open the cards she show 4 and 5 suited giving her two pairs
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I played the odds.
I put you on AK or AQ and called your raise, something that is fine and with blinds it wasn't a bad call.
When you raised the flop with Q high I figured you were trying to protect AK and called you ready to make a decision on turn. The turn gave me a proper hand that I was sure was ahead and you went all in.
I had a plan for all stages of the hand and I had a plan if I missed the flop too. Can you try and find the hand and post it so I can discuss bet size too please mate
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ok your prerogative.
I am not offended at all, I like talking strat, makes me a better player.
Just pointing out, when you bet small you were a 58% favourite to my 42%, which isn't that far off of a coinflip. I am happy to get in small in those situations, knowing if I hit I can take someone's whole stack, but if I miss I can get out cheap.
Take a breather, then come back and discuss how you feel you played the hand badly, I promise you will be a better player for it.
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I don't understand what the fuss is all about? Suited connectors are a quite typical hand. More so in position and with quite low blinds. One should consider if one pair is really good, when faced with a raise on the turn.
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There are too many players playing such hands indeed. Never managed to play like this so far, in a good game. I have done this though in some freerolls, that didnt worth participating in the first place But when they are suited connected i give them on more chance
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ok to disect the hand more with bet sizes
I flat called when very deep stacked, and you raised 210 into a 150 pot. That left a pot of 330 and me needing to add 150. I had odds of 42% and needed to put in just under 30% (I am with the kid, forgive any discrepencies in numbers).
The flop came down and now we have a pot of 440. You bet 540 and I called, believing I was ahead, but crucially, with the implied odds of how much I could win should I hit better cards (and also willing to lay down if need be).
The turn I hit my hand and those implied odds became a reality, you bet decently for the only time in the hand, when you were way behind. I reraised you and you must have known you were behind. I think you probably had to call my reraise though.
Throughout my hand I had a plan in my head as to what I would do on each street and WHY.
Maybe you could give your thoughts now?
------------ Mober I believe looking at my thoughts on what Pinotte had, pot odds and implied pot odds, make my play correct.
Could you elaborate on why you think it wasn't please?
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Well i every time i get suited connectors i play them, sometimes they pay off very good, just like in this case. Soon as u got your AQ u opened with x3.5BB which puts you exactly on that hand AQ or worst case AJ, she has 45suited, calls off your raise, and she hits the flop, but u do as well, u made 540 raise post flop, acting as u hit also, but this could always be a bluff, i would have called there 2. Turn comes 4, she hits again imroves, u bet 1620, she comes over the top and shoves, here u should have considered the fact either she has str8 or at least two pairs, but u were all ready pot committed and that was it for u, all u have to do is pray to hit ace or another Q on the river. If u ask me she did not anything wrong, she played it very good, had good read on the situation, made the right call and when she hit she made the right shove, and double up, good play from Icy Sorry u think suited connectors are cards a player should not play, but with this example, u can see your game needs to improve. When i saw this thread, i thought it was AA vs suited connectors all in shove pre flop, but that was not the case, she did not do anything wrong, she played it perfect
Pretty typical freeroll hand tbh. Two loose calls, get bottom 2 on the turn, shove it hoping it's good... It is indeed a pretty bad play but bad plays often pay off in poker. I would not judge anyone on a freeroll. The buy-in is 0. Your only investment is time. So it's up to you to decide how risky you want to play.
Shoving premium hands isn't necessarly a safe way to play because when you do get called are your chips are at risk. Pot size control is very important in MTT. Which is why pros like small ball poker and good post flop play.
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Posted by TheMachineQC: Pretty typical freeroll hand tbh. Two loose calls, get bottom 2 on the turn, shove it hoping it's good... It is indeed a pretty bad play but bad plays often pay off in poker. I would not judge anyone on a freeroll. The buy-in is 0. Your only investment is time. So it's up to you to decide how risky you want to play.
Shoving premium hands isn't necessarly a safe way to play because when you do get called are your chips are at risk. Pot size control is very important in MTT. Which is why pros like small ball poker and good post flop play.
please explain WHY you think its bad calls
Seeing as I spent the time explaining why I made the plays etc.
------------ and I didn't shove hoping it was good, I took the line that it was good and that I was extracting value from the hand, which I invariably did.
I called small when behind and got a complete stack when I was ahead
I didn't say it's bad calls, I said it's loose calls. The play overall is bad in general because there's no way to know if your hand is good at any point in the hand. You could be up against a set or even a straight on the turn, or a better 2 pairs. Do this against me and I'll most likely only call you with hands that have you beat... But Pinotte's ranges may be easier to guess than mine
I'm not criticizing you personally, I'm just saying, I would either raise on the flop or fold right there. Calling there without pot control is just very loose and bad in the long term. Unless you know you're raising everytime he bets the turn...
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Posted by TheMachineQC: I didn't say it's bad calls, I said it's loose calls.
I think it is only loose if I have no plan as to my action or any read
Posted by TheMachineQC:The play overall is bad in general because there's no way to know if your hand is good at any point in the hand. You could be up against a set or even a straight on the turn, or a better 2 pairs.
You could the same about the hero hand too though. That said, I had a read (that was proved correct) and I did have a plan of what and why.
Posted by TheMachineQCo this against me and I'll most likely only call you with hands that have you beat... But Pinotte's ranges may be easier to guess than mine
You would most probably have to call the turn regardless.
Posted by TheMachineQC:I'm not criticizing you personally, I'm just saying, I would either raise on the flop or fold right there.
I think there is a argument for a raise and it could be a bit loose. However, (and I wont say what play I had here in my head), I did have a play lined up. Also, had I raised the flop, I would have committed myself (without as you say, asking any questions of pinotte). There would have been zero pot control.
Posted by TheMachineQC:Calling there without pot control is just very loose and bad in the long term. Unless you know you're raising everytime he bets the turn...
By calling I was able to keep the pot small enough that I had a lot of play by the turn
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I would of probably played the way IQA did,I like the play.In freerolls I tend to play more hands and play loose,when I am at a table with people I played with that is,but if it where a buy in that was close to bubbling or itm,I probably would not play a hand like she did.I like to play the odds,my reasoning is also the same,not saying I am better then any one,in fact I think I suck pretty bad,at times. There have been times I have had the right odds to call and didn`t, that's worked out for me too,its just learning how and when to fold. I tend to rely on my instinct more then any thing. So I guess I am a maniac too,but that`s okay with me just makes me more dangerous.
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Fine, be a twat about it.
You gave me the odds and the implied odds and got outplayed.
You called me out on a thread, I explained my point of view and WHY I played the hand as I did. You have done nothing but criticize but cant back up your play?
(I got knocked out about 17th, with my AKs v someone else's 67o. I got him all in preflop).
Come back tomorrow when you are being less of a d**k.
just makes me more dangerous.
