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Too be very honest after that flop I probably would have shut down after turn card. It seems like you didn't care about draws when all you had was middle pair. hey sometimes middle pair is good but usually not.
The 2nd hand was a big ouch but that happens a lot more than you would think. That's big stack vs small stack poker They will call your small raise any day and will continue if they catch any type of straight draw. Just bad timing for you as you were so short stacked that you could've had 2 callers instead of just the 1.
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In the first hand although you had a note on this player IMO you were a lot to loose because the board was very dangerous and the notes are not always 100% good even a donkey get some very good hands.
In the second one there you were very unlucky true the guy could take a loss with is big stack but calling with the cards he had is frustrating.
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yesterday i run to 42$ spin, and it was heads up, I got AQ, flop I raised pre he called, flop comes some low cards, no flush drow, he raised I called, other rag card comes on turn, and he shoved ( very big amount)... I just didnt belived, even tho I didnt have pair... had AQ... A high, so I said he is full of sht and called... I was right he had 97 (9 high) no str8 drow nothing... totaly blank only 9 high... and guess what comes on river... phucking 9 :S
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today I started to play at unibet after more then a year!play 4,5 freerolls and what kind of players are there,its so silly,pay all in on 8 9,or hit staright with A8,with all in on flop!donks!and software at unibet,so stupid,so wrong,cant chat with people,cant play fold,before you come on your turn!am I crazy and dont see this option or they have so bad software!
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Hello all the wonderful mobsters out there, this is your friend demodawggy from Canada, somewhere near the Great Lakes and Georgian Bay writing to you, wish a good day to each and everyone one of you
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I am very happy to be a part of such a great community, wish you the best of luck at the tables, off the tables, behind the tables, under the tables and in your life in general. Yours truly demodawggy, somewhere near the Great Lakes and Georgian Bay in Canada.
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Wow, how unlucky can you get?? You made the perfect read and ,to get beat on the river like that, was a bitter pill to swallow. This has been happening to me a lot lately and its a horrible feeling. Unlucky again to you
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I like this thread as it really tests our bottle in terms of understanding poker plays and reading what is going on. Heres my humble take on these hands.
In the first hand, I think the initial raise is fine given your hole cards, though it does give the BB a cheap flop. He has already invested 500 and he only has to add another 1 and a half BB to call you. Given that the odds preflop are in is favour at around 64% - 28%, it's a simple call.
However, the flop changes all of this, and with the T puts you as 61% - 37%. Yes you need to be aware that you only have second pair, but this is against a straight draw. But you are still favourite. The villains check here is an attempt to see a free or cheap turn card, and you oblige by giving him only a half pot sized bet, which with his straight draw, means he has 3-1 odds, so feels it's a pretty good bargain. The pot is now at 6.5k which is equivalent to both of your stacks (more or less).
So, the cheap turn arrives and the 5s doesn't improve either of your hands, but now has you leading at 77% - 22%. The villain only has 7 cards that will improve his hand on the river, you have only 4, but you also have all of the other cards that make no difference and make your second pair a winner. You had a read on him that he had nothing! He had a drawing hand, and the way he played it so far, you perhaps should have thought about this and when he jams on the turn, I wonder whether you considered he had made a flush, or whether he was trying to scare you off? You weren't scared off, and with the odds you had its an easy call.
However, the tables are turned when the river lands and takes all the glory away from you giving the pot to the villain.
In hindsight, I wonder whether you considered either jamming on the flop, (especially as you thought he was playing with air) or making a pot sized raise, rather than half a pot , albeit some might say that with anything other than a shove here you would be pot committed anyway so a shove feels more appropriate.
In the second hand, this is the inevitable argument about how you should play AA . One simple comment to consider is, should you have shoved preflop. You are short stacked by a long margain and I am amazed that more didn't call you. What you have done, once again is given payers the option of seeing a relatively cheap flop, and the big stack has taken your invitation with ATC. You were clearly favourite pre flop and indeed post flop, however, the big stack puts you all in, to test what you have got with little impact on his stack should he lose. For you it's an insta call. Did you consider what he may or may not have?
In the end, the villain was merely lucky as he hits his hand on the river from nothing. This brings us back to the earlier consideration of how to play AA. Maybe a shove would have won you the hand without seeing the flop. Remember, AA is only a winner pre flop. Once the cards are dealt, anything can happen...... And did.
it depends from what position you play KTs and what was action before that... I would fold KTs from early position, but in late position, if there were no players involved in pot I would offcourse open with KT... even if there was opening before me I would consider calling it with KT...
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your comment is very good for me damosk. I just curious about that 2 hand, I often play straight draw at PS and always lost, but skpmorita lost it twice in 20 minutes (straight draw )...wow.... Also I often lost my flush to full house so many. Rumor about jokerstars is not legend
i hope your calmed by now and dont get mad if i say, that your 2nd hand was one the most funny hands i have ever seen. i have to agree with damosk. you were short in blinds, if you shoved you probably would have won the hand ?! but...its of course up to you how to play AA.
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Posted by Serpang: Also I often lost my flush to full house so many. Rumor about jokerstars is not legend
maybe you should be more carefully as soon there´s 2 same pictures on board (if it happen that often)?
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