I have mentioned in other posts that my CONSPIRACY THEORY is that the poker site programs are designed to encourage aggressive play - i.e. when someone reraises a potsized bet and goes all in - they show Q3os to my AQ, the flop comes 6J3, the turn is another 3 and the river doesn't really matter at this stage.
I am taking screen dumps of all the suckouts that I see so that I can keep track. This happens not only on PokerStars, but pretty much all the sites I've played on.
The reason Poker sites encourage aggressive play is because there sole form of income is from the RAKE. Unlike casinos where the house always wins, pokersites have to rely on rake to make their money. The bigger the pots, the more rake they get.
Of course the rake is capped, but to reach the cap, you have to make sure that the pot is always on the high side. As far as Q3 vs AQ, its not the cards, its actually how people are prepared to play them, of course if you sat down and ran the numbers you would figure out the odds, but I am talking about people doing this as the norm
Joined: Nov '07
Age: 47 (M)
It just seams like take, but you have to look at how many players are on that site, over 110,000 all the time so there is a lot of hands to go around... Lots of fishs with lots of money that can afford to chase everyhand.
Joined: Apr '08
Age: 34 (M)
It all breaks down to psycology, every time you are drawn out or rivered you remember it. Every time your flop nuts hold out it is just fair and you forget it 5 min later, so if you you also took screenshots of everytime you won those types of hands you would see it probably works out pretty well in the long run. Same goes for draws, your two pair against a straight or flush draw on the flop isn't that big a favorite so of course you will loose some times. I bet you have also called yourself to a flush or two from the flop, and most of them probably seemed fair to you, so if you really think that they rig the sites, i would say think again.
I guess you are still missing the point in that when someone deliberately goes allin - preflop with junk cards ... (Q3os 10 2os K4os ... etc) and catches cards against someone that raises preflop with AA or AQs or AK or even 10 10, and I have seen this person or people do this 4 or 5 times in a row ... thats when I know something is wrong ...
Joined: Apr '08
Age: 34 (M)
I guess you don't realise that even though it is not likley it is possible. Even though the odds of winning the lottery some guy does it every time since so many tickets are sold. Just as so many poker hands are played so of course some guy will get lucky, do you realise that a crap hand like Q2o or something like that has over 10 % to beat AA pre flop and 30% to beat AKs. Which means that it is very likely that just what you talk about will happen, how many hands did you play last week? Im sure it was enough to make the odds of all those bad beats. But everytime a hand like that looses you forget it 2 min later hence you feel like the crap hands win all the time. And if this really were rig then every poker site i have ever played would be rigged, and that is quite a few.
Joined: Sep '08
Age: 46 (M)
my experience is, if the player have more money than u, he have more chances to hit draws, if u go all in, or hit a winning hand. IN ALL POKERROMS, like in tournaments, ex: flop 10 5 10, my hand 5 4, two more players, i go all in because i have 1000, but one of them has 10000, hi call, with KQ, the other folds, turn J, River A, hit straight. I saw that happend a lot, not in the other direction, always lose the player with few chips, because the tourney has to finish, cant take two days,,,, so the same with real money tables, but here many variables take count, like when u deposit,,deposit to build a better bankroll or because i lose all , when u withdraw, frecuence of play , cards that u play, all is information and they know how u will react... if u go another room the same will happend and u will return to them sooner or later...I sometimes win all day with a lot of good hands, then two weeks that i can hit nothing, or hit very isolated, then lose all,,,so all are rigged,,,they are casinos. not a .org
So why should the pokersites wanna have bad players? - Isn't it good to have lots of sharks. - No, the pokersites earn more money, when there's lots of fishes (and there is many fishes on pokerstars)
How does the pokerroom make more money from bad players then from good? The poker room doesn't care. They get payed rake, no matter who is at the table and how they are playing. In fact a good players should be producing more rake than a fish, because the fish usually puts all his money on one hand. The pokerroom only gets a certain amount of rake ( Rake is usually capped at a maximum per hand, say $3 ). So no matter how much the pot is the pokerroom gets $3. Should the fish loose then the pokerroom made $3 out of him playing. A good player will last longer at the table, and will therefor generate more rake in the long run, because he can play more hands with his bankroll. A real good player will keep generating rake for a lifetime with just one initial deposit. A weak player will generate only some rake before he quits. So poker rooms want good players, not bad.
If YOu were right then online poker schools like p***********y etc. would teach YOu to play like a donk, because they would get paid more for bringing bad players. Instead they'll teach You poker, because they know that a good player is far more profitable.
And if You look at the stats in the poker databass You will see that online poker is not rigged at all. When people are on a downswing they complain it's all rigged. But when they hit all their lucky hands they think it's because they play so well.
I sometimes win all day with a lot of good hands, then two weeks that i can hit nothing, or hit very isolated, then lose all,,,so all are rigged,,,they are casinos. not a .org
That is what Up- and Downswings are all about. That why good players know the importance of bankroll managemnet. Sometimes You hit sometimes You don't. That's poker. Not rigged at all. If Your pocket aces never get beaten than that's more a sign of something being rigged than the other way around.
A me sembrano tutte cazzate... Everytime I tried to play looseaggressive, raising and reraising, going all in with A2.K3,Q4 and more, I always finished to lose all bankroll I don't think that software are developed to encourage aggressive players
Joined: May '08
Age: 57 (M)
Posted by MANUEDO: A me sembrano tutte cazzate... Everytime I tried to play looseaggressive, raising and reraising, going all in with A2.K3,Q4 and more, I always finished to lose all bankroll I don't think that software are developed to encourage aggressive players
This is not loose aggressive. It is just donkplay. To play loose aggressive you need chips to work with after the flop. Going all in with junk is not the right play.
Joined: Sep '07
Age: 47 (M)
Here is an interesting tought. The only way a pokerroom can earn more money is thru rake and casino games. If there is no action preflop Pokerroom or after the community cards the pokerroom doesnt make any money. They want action on every hand so they can earn money. Much like any other business.So rigging the cards dealt to the players shouldnt be so uncommon good starting hands means action action means rake. Much like a Store putting items on sale just to lure you in to the store. Thats the only thing i think they rigg what hands are dealt to the player. After that i think its fair game. That is my tought
Joined: Oct '08
Location: United States
Age: 38 (M)
hi it's my first post, had to chime in though. For all that think its fake, and rigged....have you ever played a live hand in your life? These things happen on live tables too. Secondly, the only reason I can see any site being rigged is for re-distribution of money, think about it.....they constantly shift money around, that keeps everyone playing, more people playing +EV. I have sucked out just as many times as my good hands have held up, we are all guilty of making bad calls, alot of us just tend to forget about the good hands and tend to NEVER forget the bad ones. Someone had stated:
"action flops so there will be more rake"
not 100% sure about every site, but every site I have ever played on is caped at $3
It's up to the players to click the mouse not the poker site.
Joined: Jan '08
Age: 45 (M)
"action flops so there will be more rake" not 100% sure about every site, but every site I have ever played on is caped at $3
Take time and research this topic on Internet. If You don`t want to do that take a look how many players are playing low limit and medium limit tables and compare that to high limit tables where rake is capped every hand.