Call on both IMO. Waaay too many limpers, low and mid-range pockets are only doing good for you if you either see the flop cheap or you only bringing one (maybe sometimes two) player with you - raising in both situations would pretty much work against this... Maybe raising in the second one is acceptable but if you know nothing about your opponents then just limp as well.
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Posted by bowie1984: Call on both IMO. Waaay too many limpers, low and mid-range pockets are only doing good for you if you either see the flop cheap or you only bringing one (maybe sometimes two) player with you - raising in both situations would pretty much work against this... Maybe raising in the second one is acceptable but if you know nothing about your opponents then just limp as well.
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If this was me, i would definitely be calling in both situations. Whenever you see so many people limping there could be at least one of them setting a trap and, if you raise and he comes over the top,you could be caught out.
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in 1st situation i would definitely call, i get decent odds of hitting my set on the flop, and there is no real need to play aggro here, 2nd situation- i might consider raising, why not it's a rebuy tourney, sure 4 dudes limped, but i can get a couple of them off the hand by raising and then pray for a couple of eights on the flop...
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situation 1: you should raise very big... you have AA and 6 limpers... so raise it would be like 10BB or even shove... you dont want too much players in pot, because your chances of AA to hold decrease when there are more players in pot... situation2: it depends on players that you limped... but raise or call in that situation... realy depend on how players that limped were playing...
------------ I didnt see that situation 1 is 88 not AA... well in this situation, you should also raise... in both situations you are in late position, so in late positions 88 is surely raise preflop... no matter if you got limpers before....
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The situation 1 I put it in two scenarios, 1. with good cards and 2. with bad cards, with good cards within your range goes up 5bb so cut the amount of players lame to which your good cards may not have some kind of tragedy And with bad cards I only recommend limp and draw drawing a double pair as minimum on the flop. In situation 2 as there are less villains, it is advisable with good cards to make an open raise of 5bb and with bad cards make an open raise of 3bb.
In such a situation there are many different factors ..... the place where I am located at this moment .... the size of my bank at this moment ... the position at the table at this moment .. the reaction of other players to my bets in the previous time ... it's hard to answer unequivocally
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Posted by pajalnick: In such a situation there are many different factors ..... the place where I am located at this moment .... the size of my bank at this moment ... the position at the table at this moment .. the reaction of other players to my bets in the previous time ... it's hard to answer unequivocally
on all that, you have aswers... in first sitution, he is deep, and in late position, in second situation he is deep and in late pos, but not late as in situation No1...
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Posted by StheP:
Posted by pajalnick: In such a situation there are many different factors ..... the place where I am located at this moment .... the size of my bank at this moment ... the position at the table at this moment .. the reaction of other players to my bets in the previous time ... it's hard to answer unequivocally
on all that, you have aswers... in first sitution, he is deep, and in late position, in second situation he is deep and in late pos, but not late as in situation No1...
You got it, tx for answering for me adding the fact I mentioned it's the early stages of the tourney
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the fact that you are early means you are deep, depending on how much limpers you have before you determinate your position... but also you could be on blinds, which is bad, but I assumed that you were not on blinds...
Well, to be able to make an informaed decision, I would need more information. Stack sizes ect. People don't limp that much nowadays because it is the most passive thing to do and passive isn't good in general. So to be honest these situations are pretty rare.
I would try to defend my 88 by raising to about 8BB. If we're very very deep because it's early then I may just limp and set mine to disguise the strength of my hand. But I would probably raise hard there most of the times and try to win it right there or make it look like some kind of squeeze play bluff.
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Posted by TheMachineQC: Well, to be able to make an informaed decision, I would need more information. Stack sizes ect. People don't limp that much nowadays because it is the most passive thing to do and passive isn't good in general. So to be honest these situations are pretty rare.
I would try to defend my 88 by raising to about 8BB. If we're very very deep because it's early then I may just limp and set mine to disguise the strength of my hand. But I would probably raise hard there most of the times and try to win it right there or make it look like some kind of squeeze play bluff.
tx for ur reply to add a litlle more info ... imagine its the 2nd hand of the tourney and the stacks are all same size
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In first situation I would just call and look to see what is onnthe flop, maybe it is good for me, no need to raise here, not super cards and many players in the hand. In second situation i can call or i can raise, I have many chips it is late and people want to save stacks.
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1. You're in the blinds or almost, it's an easy call given you're getting very good po and io. 2. I would raise, if you call you might get squeezed from the blinds with weaker hands
adding the fact I mentioned it's the early stages of the tourney
