It wasn't long ago since we learned that Aussie poker pro Matthew Kirk had filed a lawsuit for over $3 million in unpaid loans made to King's Casino owner and EPT winner Leon Tsoukernik in a heads-up poker game at the Aria Resort and Casino (Las Vegas) in May (click here to read the full story).
In a recent interview with Calvinayre, another high stakes poker pro decided to speak out about Tsouke[...] Read more » Leon Tsoukernik Accused of Not Paying Another Massive Debt
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well this really does sound like leon tsoukernik is a scam artist of some sort... if it was a one off then we could say that only these two side know the real picture, but here we have situation where more people speak about unpaid money from leon and some well known names are in the picture too... not sure if anyone will want to play leon after such "pr".
Elton Zwang remained at the table with an uncomprehending face - after all, according to the results of three games, Leon remained to him 3.2 million euros. Only the next day they met and Leon gave Elton Tsang 1.2 million euros - based on the results of the first two games. - And where else 2 million? Tsang asked optimistically. "You see, Elton," Leon Tsukernik answered, "I think the third game is some kind of strange and dishonest. Bye! Here's a crook!
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Hello my friends and fellow mobsters This is another crazy storie about this guy if he is a scam artist is a very hard expression but whem there is smoke there is fire Like everybody else he set to argue within the courts of law which is his right but it,s another blow on his reputation
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I think this is strange situation, and i don't understand why he paid 1.2 million of dollars nut not all money, I think he could pay even 0 dollars so why he decided anout this 1.2 millions? Of course people now not going to play with this guy in high stakes
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Why owing money to other people when you most probably can afford to pay it back. He owns a casino, which means he is making profit He could have settled installments even, if not paying in full.
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This Leon Tsoukernik should follow the example of Tom Dwan. He should be fair play and pay. Otherwise these cases will multiply and it is not good. I do not understand why they enter in a place playing on credit and then they do not want to pay anymore. I understand when the casino is wrong or does not want to pay but here is another situation.
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Posted by CALICUL: This Leon Tsoukernik should follow the example of Tom Dwan. He should be fair play and pay. Otherwise these cases will multiply and it is not good. I do not understand why they enter in a place playing on credit and then they do not want to pay anymore. I understand when the casino is wrong or does not want to pay but here is another situation.
he is following tom dwan though, people come out and say dwan owes them money.
this leon guy owns kings casino which has had a few MAJOR tournaments already this year and next year is meant to be even bigger so I am kind of confused but not suprised since when people win lotto lots of 'friends' 'family' pop up all of a sudden.
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This guy sounds like he is doing this on a regular basis and is not to be trusted. I dont think that any of the top players will be rushing to play in any of this guys games
Personally, I had a persistent feeling that this person is a fraudster ... of course he will seek excuses and maybe he will manage to justify himself but now very many people will not trust him ... the reputation of the neol is forever ruined of course ... !!!
Posted by pochui: well this really does sound like leon tsoukernik is a scam artist of some sort... if it was a one off then we could say that only these two side know the real picture, but here we have situation where more people speak about unpaid money from leon and some well known names are in the picture too... not sure if anyone will want to play leon after such "pr".
They why all these nimrods going to play him privately still?
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I have seen him playing high stakes cash game at King's Casino. But I actually didn't know that Leon Tsoukernik is CEO of Vestar Group and CEO of King's Casino. The reputation of a business is essential to its success and growth, right?
Edited by Tony_MON7ANA (25 August 2017 @ 04:26 GMT)
Posted by Tony_MON7ANA: The reputation of a business is essential to its success and growth, right?
Nah, not so sure about that. For example everybody knows Starbucks sells overpriced but mediocre coffee yet people lining up every day to buy it. It's all about marketing.
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Posted by bowie1984: Nah, not so sure about that. For example everybody knows Starbucks sells overpriced but mediocre coffee yet people lining up every day to buy it. It's all about marketing.
Is Starbucks coffee not very good by the standards of most coffee enthusiasts? Probably. Is Starbucks coffee better than what most ordinary people had before? Probably. I just can't believe I used to pay $7+ for a cup of coffee and snack almost everyday!
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Posted by pajalnick: Personally, I had a persistent feeling that this person is a fraudster ... of course he will seek excuses and maybe he will manage to justify himself but now very many people will not trust him ... the reputation of the neol is forever ruined of course ... !!!
Since they do not have a law like in vegas this garbage person Leon Tsoukernik may not pay a dollar for Elton Tsang. He uses a law to avoid paying that money. Since this person is accused by several people he should be banned from entering the big casinos. In this way he will be able to pay his debts and no longer be accused of anything wrong.
Posted by bowie1984: Nah, not so sure about that. For example everybody knows Starbucks sells overpriced but mediocre coffee yet people lining up every day to buy it. It's all about marketing.
Is Starbucks coffee not very good by the standards of most coffee enthusiasts? Probably. Is Starbucks coffee better than what most ordinary people had before? Probably. I just can't believe I used to pay $7+ for a cup of coffee and snack almost everyday!
See? That is where they get you. Most people not even thinking into the fact that those expenses could add up over time. Spending between one and two hundred bucks per month just to get your morning coffeine routine going is the actual power of marketing. Their overall reputation does not matter to many who is a customer there.
Posted by pajalnick: Personally, I had a persistent feeling that this person is a fraudster ... of course he will seek excuses and maybe he will manage to justify himself but now very many people will not trust him ... the reputation of the neol is forever ruined of course ... !!!
Since they do not have a law like in vegas this garbage person Leon Tsoukernik may not pay a dollar for Elton Tsang. He uses a law to avoid paying that money. Since this person is accused by several people he should be banned from entering the big casinos. In this way he will be able to pay his debts and no longer be accused of anything wrong.
some laws are of course wrong ... no, not so ..... some laws allow different interpretations in different situations .... and of course in such cases it becomes possible for scammers not to receive a well-deserved punishment .... of course this is very sad and unfair
