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I was playing in this sit 'n go and two guys keep on trashtalking to everybody on the table insulting and stuff, Ok nothing new, but when we came to the "final" stage of the sit 'n go, (2 seats before the money) one of them is almost broke. The other one has a very big stack (he just won an all in against 2 other players with AA).

Now the big stack raises, the small stack goes all in, then the bigstack folds directly, so his buddy has an avarage stack again.

Is this allowed or can you get banned for doing this stuff (it was at pokerstars)?

what do you guys think of this teamplaying at tournaments and sit 'n go's?

Edited by weakminded (17 November 2008 @ 09:25 GMT)


     
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It is collusion and this is not allowed. If you sure they played together you can bring this stuff to the attention of stars. But be sure that this was not a steal attempt from the big stack followed by a resteal from the shorty.

     
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Posted by shokaku:
It is collusion and this is not allowed. If you sure they played together you can bring this stuff to the attention of stars. But be sure that this was not a steal attempt from the big stack followed by a resteal from the shorty.


No I'm very sure it wasn't because they did this "trick" 3 times during the game.

     
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Offcourse its definitly collusion but its so difficult to prove.
Big stack raises, small stack allin and big stack folds right?
Its not forbidden to do this and so difficult to prove cos big stack didnt show his cards.
Fact is stars cant also see the whole cards of the big stack if he folds.
Its against their rules to see everybodys whole cards.
If they want they can do it but its very very difficult and they dont do it in this case i am sure.
But offcourse you can go to support, you must go to support, tell them your story.
Maybe stars can give you money back cos its suspicious, though they never can prove it.

I have had the same problem 2 times on PKR, after a big discussion 1 time i get money back 1 time i didnt.

At support focus on chat not on the fold thing from big stack cos i think its impossible to prove this.

Goodluck Smile

Good post btw Thumbs Up

Edited by doomdy (17 November 2008 @ 09:58 GMT)


     
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thanks for the advice guys, I'm going to get in contact with the support. I hope they can give me some feedback on how to prevent this from happening again.

It was my first post so thanks for that to Smile. really appriciate it.

     
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Goodluck weakminded Thumbs Up

You have to report this kind of behaviour, its collusion its forbidden so take action and report to support.

I hate it when people talk in chat a diffirent language then english.
I ask allways nicely to talk english please.
If they arent doin it after i ask 3 times i say i go to support, if they say sorry after that i dont go to support, if they dont i go to support.
Every time i did it they get a ban for 1 day or more.

Many times i got sucked out by 3 italians or 3 french so thats why i do it
Smile

     
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Report those cheaters I do and no it's not hard to prove pretty easy to check what cards the big stack had and what he normally does with those cards at that stage of tour. Also check if these 2 players often sit at same table and speak with each other or did simular moves.

     
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Posted by M3turbo:
Report those cheaters I do and no it's not hard to prove pretty easy to check what cards the big stack had and what he normally does with those cards at that stage of tour. Also check if these 2 players often sit at same table and speak with each other or did simular moves.

@ m3turbo:

When a player doesnt show his whole cards, the pokerroom cant see the whole cards either.
Its state in terms and ect...
They can do it but its a long process and they dont do it often, they allways solve it other ways and allmost never the difficult way....

     
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3 times no way it is coincidence, report immediately to support. Hang them cheaters

When a player doesnt show his whole cards, the pokerroom cant see the whole cards either.
Poker room must keep complete records of all hands being dealt. Including mucked and folded cards.

     
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Posted by Predobar:
3 times no way it is coincidence, report immediately to support. Hang them cheaters

Hang them!!! Thumbs Up

     
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You can't punish someone for not playing their hands the correct way. If they want to fold AA preflop it's their perogative wether or not it's to his friends benefit or not.

I was under the impression that colluding was done via a messaging system, eg two players telling each other their hands.



     
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There was many guys doing it like the gamblers you talking about in the past.

They was going to one table S&G`s and using Teamspeak in the game. So they can
talking about the hands and if it is better to raise or to fold. It´s a very old trick and I saw it often at one table S&G on FullTilt.

You can`t do anything against it.... Disagree Confused

     
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Posted by Predobar:
3 times no way it is coincidence, report immediately to support. Hang them cheaters

When a player doesnt show his whole cards, the pokerroom cant see the whole cards either.
Poker room must keep complete records of all hands being dealt. Including mucked and folded cards.

Yes they do, but its not the pokerroom who have these very big databases but another company who keeps track of all the hands dealt, played, folded.
So its not as simple as you say Smile

Maybe shaun can explain he knows exactly how it works Smile

Edited by doomdy (17 November 2008 @ 18:40 GMT)


     
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Posted by doomdy:
Posted by M3turbo:
Report those cheaters I do and no it's not hard to prove pretty easy to check what cards the big stack had and what he normally does with those cards at that stage of tour. Also check if these 2 players often sit at same table and speak with each other or did simular moves.

@ m3turbo:

When a player doesnt show his whole cards, the pokerroom cant see the whole cards either.
Its state in terms and ect...
They can do it but its a long process and they dont do it often, they allways solve it other ways and allmost never the difficult way....



If your pokerroom doesn't take cheating serious you play at a lousy room and I would suggest you to change casino immediately. Try Party for example they respond immediately when you contact them regarding cheat of somekind and work effective against it.
What you say about whole cards is incorrect ofcourse they can go back and see which cards you were dealt and how you played them. That's how they bust chipdump and collusion.

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Posted by Predobar:
3 times no way it is coincidence, report immediately to support. Hang them cheaters

When a player doesnt show his whole cards, the pokerroom cant see the whole cards either.
Poker room must keep complete records of all hands being dealt. Including mucked and folded cards.


+1

Edited by M3turbo (17 November 2008 @ 18:56 GMT)


     
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@M3turbo:

Searching for the policy bout whole cards....
Post it later Blink

     
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I had this thing several times on pacific poker..

It's a thing that sometimes happens obviously.. they are talking about it in another language, expecting no one can understand what they say.. but some ppl can speak more than 1 language, right? So I could prove that it was collusion what they did..

     
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It`s easy if you want to cheat. There is a tool with the name Teamspeak. You and one or two of your friends join a one table sit and go and you can talk with them in the tool about your cards. You must not typing or something. You talk with them over a micro and thats it. Damn easy...

     
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Posted by TaToOlZ:
It`s easy if you want to cheat. There is a tool with the name Teamspeak. You and one or two of your friends join a one table sit and go and you can talk with them in the tool about your cards. You must not typing or something. You talk with them over a micro and thats it. Damn easy...


WOW REALLY......LOL. Why not just use Messenger or Skype??

     
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I know a guy, thats got teams of these playing all over the poker world, they are making a fortune.

     
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Posted by Saint:
I know a guy, thats got teams of these playing all over the poker world, they are making a fortune.


Report them weak cheaters Evil

     
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